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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 22:43:17 +0200
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Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> Now you use this to advertise for systemd?
>>>>
>>>> Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate.
>>> So, systemd is used (or it has been announced that is going to be
>>> used) by default in all the major distributions, is available and
>>> working great in Gentoo, and many Gentoo users and developers use it
>>> happily.
>>>
>>> So, yeah, we are *really* desperate, obviously.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the laugh.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>> you will stop laughing when redhat&poettering abandon systemd because it
>> is 'fundamentally broken' and must be replaced with something else.
>>
>> Probably as soon as everybody got used to it.
>>
>> And if I guess correctly, pulseaudio will be the driving force behind
>> it. Because history loves repetition.
> Sure Volker, whatever you say. I'm willing to bet the future stability
> of my desktop and server machines that your doomsday-scenario will not
> happen. Actually, I'm already betting on it.
>
> What are you willing to bet?
>
> Again, thanks for the laughs. You are a funny guy.
>
> Regards.

I am not betting anything.

But I want you to think about something:

devfs was the best thing since sliced bread.
As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and replaced.

hal was the best thing since sliced bread.
As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and abandoned.

*kit?
The same.