From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-158546-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AE013838B for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E93CFE08F2; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8544E08CE for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by gateway2.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33AA20909 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:08:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=iNGoH2ggbRgiCJWM0MJVRm uH4xM=; b=erncOu+u7bENfGAIZ8kpnqXTMRO1AUxm+RcKH3eq2YXawVMUrR4BBI vfiu4i+OchUhzJ8bYlFgfuTqaGeSslSyzmI/OVuMenBA12J9c55iI6wyBPRKe53w bscPnXeX2E2ASfG9h7T87oPNozMOTlHckD+dG/6oAeoEzV1ENFN2Y= X-Sasl-enc: oBV739yPKzjGiO6UiMXhhQHV++jML1Fw9XVwQugb4JSk 1410462508 Received: from [35.2.79.27] (unknown [35.2.79.27]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6C8C5680241 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5411F32C.8050505@alectenharmsel.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:08:28 -0400 From: Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: post build files References: <loom.20140909T164818-641@post.gmane.org> <CAGfcS_mKyjuZrMjtdZkCZVg9oaBOhP95zxqQxdR8hjkbQCvwVw@mail.gmail.com> <loom.20140911T160416-739@post.gmane.org> In-Reply-To: <loom.20140911T160416-739@post.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 598193de-c437-4c90-a383-9792e54e12f6 X-Archives-Hash: df9e5f2adb54b3d1694f234b2a9ff821 On 09/11/2014 12:20 PM, James wrote: > Yes, I've been all over this. It's onto much of the Apache clustering > codes that are not simple to configure in the ebuild. Besides the raw > packege codes, like mesos, spark, scala, cassandra, etc there are a > mulitude of fast moving codes written in Java and Python that need to > be tested. Java is not difficult, but voluminous. Every problem > somebody encouters, gets solved by some java "bolt on" code, rather > than fixing/extending the main (mesos) sourcecode. As an old C hack, > it's a tough pill to swallow, but I'm pursing this as best I can. I > sure feel empathy for the java herd, but hey, now we are doing away > with herds? Part of the problem with a lot of open source Java projects is that they *require* Oracle's Java build, and installing Oracle's JDK in Gentoo is not a simple 'emerge <package_name_here>'. > That said, I'm a bit stressed about 'maven'. We only have maven.bin. > Much is dependant on it and java. For many reasons, java is not well > supported in Gentoo. I just hope, I do not have to leave the Gentoo > distro; because much of what I need (clustering) is java critical. You > think I can build a gentoo cluster based on these? I'm not a huge fan of Maven - it's a massive, complex morass. That said, I can look into building it. > Does the Gentoo dev team operate a robust gentoo cluster for gentoo > development needs? Should they? What would it do? Other than continuous integration, I can't see much use (although I'm not a dev, so that's not saying much). > Clusters that perform best are built on mesos/spark. I can't remember the last time I saw Mesos/Spark on the TOP500 list... but also, they're both young projects. > But now, I need robust clustering and from the open source research > work I have performed, Apache is the Only viable choice. Ubuntu has > it. Debian Has it. RedHat has it. CentOS has it, but, we cannot > (willnot?) sustain Apache style clustering at Gentoo because ? (dunno > the reason; nothing seems plausible). >From what I can tell, the reason is that it is not worth anyone's time to do the massive amount of development and maintainence for something that they won't benefit from. > Hell, I'd even be willing to pay for a java support to develop the > java (sourcecode) based tools; but in the past that idea has been very > frowned up by the gentoo "think tank". If I wasn't in school I'd be all over this... Anyways, I'll try and look at Maven. Not making any promises; I'm pretty busy right now. Alec