[gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Grant]

I have a Gigabyte 2807 (technically not a NUC but basically the same
thing) and nothing appears on the screen at all when it is connected
to a 55" OLED TV via HDMI. Just a "no signal" message. I was planning
to install Gentoo via a bootable USB stick but I don't even get a POST
screen.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164017

Any ideas?  I've gotten my Pandaboard to display 640x480 on the TV.
Maybe the TV can only display 640x480 and 1920x1080?  Maybe I need to
buy a computer monitor for installation?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.09.2014 um 16:51 schrieb Grant:
> I have a Gigabyte 2807 (technically not a NUC but basically the same
> thing) and nothing appears on the screen at all when it is connected
> to a 55" OLED TV via HDMI. Just a "no signal" message. I was planning
> to install Gentoo via a bootable USB stick but I don't even get a POST
> screen.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164017
> 
> Any ideas?  I've gotten my Pandaboard to display 640x480 on the TV.
> Maybe the TV can only display 640x480 and 1920x1080?  Maybe I need to
> buy a computer monitor for installation?

I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
something.

I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
mythtv-frontend).

As your issue isn't gentoo-specific afaik I would recommend browsing
Gigabyte support forums or docs ... ?

Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Grant]

>> I have a Gigabyte 2807 (technically not a NUC but basically the same
>> thing) and nothing appears on the screen at all when it is connected
>> to a 55" OLED TV via HDMI. Just a "no signal" message. I was planning
>> to install Gentoo via a bootable USB stick but I don't even get a POST
>> screen.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164017
>>
>> Any ideas?  I've gotten my Pandaboard to display 640x480 on the TV.
>> Maybe the TV can only display 640x480 and 1920x1080?  Maybe I need to
>> buy a computer monitor for installation?
>
> I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
> something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
> something.
>
> I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
> with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
> mythtv-frontend).
>
> As your issue isn't gentoo-specific afaik I would recommend browsing
> Gigabyte support forums or docs ... ?


Sorry for the noise my Gentoo-loving brethren.  I just needed to
re-seat the RAM.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/05/2014 11:16 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
> something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
> something.
> 
> I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
> with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
> mythtv-frontend).
> 

Going off topic a bit, but I recently bought a DN2820FYKH (Celeron
model) and it works beautifully with mythtv. Compiling is a litter
slower due to the processor, but it works well with its built-in IR.
Very happy with it. I have everything working including HDMI audio
passthrough. Best ~$250 I spent to date (NUC, RAM, SSD.)

Bear in mind that HDMI audio passthrough doesn't work when booting in
legacy mode, you have to boot with native EFI. Had no issues with grub2.

I also found out (the hard way) that kernel >=3.14 are required for the
Intel video support.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/05/2014 11:16 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>> I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
>> something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
>> something.
>>
>> I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
>> with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
>> mythtv-frontend).
>>
>
> Going off topic a bit, but I recently bought a DN2820FYKH (Celeron
> model) and it works beautifully with mythtv. Compiling is a litter
> slower due to the processor, but it works well with its built-in IR.
> Very happy with it. I have everything working including HDMI audio
> passthrough. Best ~$250 I spent to date (NUC, RAM, SSD.)
>
> Bear in mind that HDMI audio passthrough doesn't work when booting in
> legacy mode, you have to boot with native EFI. Had no issues with grub2.
>
> I also found out (the hard way) that kernel >=3.14 are required for the
> Intel video support.

I'm planning on updating my aging media center. The Celeron+Intel
video card are able to handle FullHD (1920x1080) video?

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/05/2014 01:12 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> 
> I'm planning on updating my aging media center. The Celeron+Intel
> video card are able to handle FullHD (1920x1080) video?
> 

My local OTA broadcasts are almost all 1080i, and mythtv handles that no
problem with vaapi.

I looked around and found a 1080p video, and used mplayer2 with opengl
output and it plays with no issues. CPU usage on both cores were between
80-90%.

Video in question:

[mkv] Track ID 1: video (V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC) "Video (AVC 1080p)", -vid 0

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.09.2014 um 22:07 schrieb Daniel Frey:

> Going off topic a bit, but I recently bought a DN2820FYKH (Celeron
> model) and it works beautifully with mythtv. Compiling is a litter
> slower due to the processor, but it works well with its built-in IR.
> Very happy with it. I have everything working including HDMI audio
> passthrough. Best ~$250 I spent to date (NUC, RAM, SSD.)

... I am right now ordering the i3-version ... 4 GB RAM will be enough
for a start.

> Bear in mind that HDMI audio passthrough doesn't work when booting in
> legacy mode, you have to boot with native EFI. Had no issues with grub2.

Yes, thanks, I heard about that already.

It's for debian, but seems to list some general know-how for NUCs and
mythtv:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alWSZZ8tLYe4I-lmdrsAGT67xV77q4F4jivGeEzIklk/edit#


> I also found out (the hard way) that kernel >=3.14 are required for the
> Intel video support.

Thanks, will consider that. Even 3.14.14 is stable in portage right now,
I wouldn't have started any lower. I will install gentoo stable ... btw,
how did you start installing? Some rescue-disk on a stick? PXE? (I
should fix my PXE-setup ...)

Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 06.09.2014 um 11:21 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

> I will install gentoo stable ... btw,
> how did you start installing? Some rescue-disk on a stick? PXE? (I
> should fix my PXE-setup ...)

Second thought: I could clone of my thinkpad-SSDs and start with that.
Should boot ... depends if some special modules are needed.
I use EFI on the X220 so that should help me getting up and running.

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Grant]

>> I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
>> something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
>> something.
>>
>> I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
>> with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
>> mythtv-frontend).
>>
>
> Going off topic a bit, but I recently bought a DN2820FYKH (Celeron
> model) and it works beautifully with mythtv. Compiling is a litter
> slower due to the processor, but it works well with its built-in IR.
> Very happy with it. I have everything working including HDMI audio
> passthrough. Best ~$250 I spent to date (NUC, RAM, SSD.)


The coolest thing about the Gigabyte 2807 is that it's fanless.  I
don't need wireless so I'll replace it with one of these mini-PCIe
128GB storage devices:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008KWEA88

I do wish it had built-in IR.  I'm planning to go with xbmc instead of
mythtv.  Compiling kernel now....

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Grant]

> Thanks, will consider that. Even 3.14.14 is stable in portage right now,
> I wouldn't have started any lower. I will install gentoo stable ... btw,
> how did you start installing? Some rescue-disk on a stick? PXE? (I
> should fix my PXE-setup ...)


Funny that hardened-sources-3.15.8 has reached stable first.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/06/2014 02:21 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> 
> Yes, thanks, I heard about that already.
> 
> It's for debian, but seems to list some general know-how for NUCs and
> mythtv:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alWSZZ8tLYe4I-lmdrsAGT67xV77q4F4jivGeEzIklk/edit#
> 

I didn't actually search for stuff until I found things that were badly
broken, like video playback on kernels <3.14. I just dove in headfirst
and was scratching my head for a while...

> 
>> I also found out (the hard way) that kernel >=3.14 are required for the
>> Intel video support.
> 
> Thanks, will consider that. Even 3.14.14 is stable in portage right now,
> I wouldn't have started any lower. I will install gentoo stable ... btw,
> how did you start installing? Some rescue-disk on a stick? PXE? (I
> should fix my PXE-setup ...)


I used the Mint 17 ISO written to USB. It showed up in the NUC's boot
menu as EFI-bootable.

By the way, the IR on mine wasn't obvious, I had kernel support for
Media Center Ed. and it wasn't detected - nor was it listed with
lsusb/lspci. Turns out it was an ITE Tech IT8712. Just FYI...

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Intel NUC install -- no display on OLED TV

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/09/2014 17:00, Grant wrote:
>>> I read about outdated BIOS-versions and the need/fix to connect
>>> something via DisplayPort and enter BIOS once ... to "reset" things or
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I don't have such a box ... just echoing something I read (as I play
>>> with the thought to buy a Intel NUC-Kit D34010WYK for use as a
>>> mythtv-frontend).
>>>
>>
>> Going off topic a bit, but I recently bought a DN2820FYKH (Celeron
>> model) and it works beautifully with mythtv. Compiling is a litter
>> slower due to the processor, but it works well with its built-in IR.
>> Very happy with it. I have everything working including HDMI audio
>> passthrough. Best ~$250 I spent to date (NUC, RAM, SSD.)
> 
> 
> The coolest thing about the Gigabyte 2807 is that it's fanless.  I
> don't need wireless so I'll replace it with one of these mini-PCIe
> 128GB storage devices:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008KWEA88
> 
> I do wish it had built-in IR.  I'm planning to go with xbmc instead of
> mythtv.  Compiling kernel now....


FWIW, I built my HTPC around an Xtreamer Ultra2:

http://www.xtreamer.net/ultra/

I don't think it's for sale any more, but it's the class of device
that's important here. It's basically a small motherboard with regular
CPU/GPU/RAM etc all built into a small, neat and aesthetically pleasing
case. Price is about the same as netops and Zotac square boxes that
mount to a monitor with VESA brackets. They are also about 4x the price
of basic ARM-based boxes billed as "suitable for HTPCs" (I looked at
those and found them all underpowered and not totally suitable after
all, mostly due to lack of peripherals).

The Ultra2 has a regular familiar Nvidia GPU, none of this ancient
crappy Intel-paulsbo nonsense that just.does.not.work. Performance is
more than adequate, it ships with a 32G SSD and has a slot for a 2.5"
SATA drive. I don't use that (my media is on back-end file server
accessed with NFS) but one of these days I'll add a drive and dual boot
Windows for the kids and their games. It also has 1G wired ethernet,
802.11n wireless, IR receiver, and 6 USB slots (several are 3.0 I forget
how many)

In short, I got the best possible bang for buck with this and many
annoying facets of trying to use inadequate hardware just went away. The
second best decision was ditching a roll-it-myself OS and all the
tinkering that involves. Just run OpenElec - a 140M image with the
latest and greatest XBMC, plus everything else needed kept current.
Flash it to the pc just like your modem firmware, add content, sit back,
enjoy. Updates are faster than you can manage yourself :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com