From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490AE13877A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA766E085A; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA9B2E083B for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z12so1612302wgg.12 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:27:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kFaXPUYU2jr0IcNThxg9ZOgrFieSCyiKU20GTtaqOpU=; b=HgXZHdepQTX/kMkWMXG+FzBwec2MT1QYXNSVjtB2IRauUxG76OpdsuxLXXLGCfwfu9 2MwkCCVCQb6eMSJC0DA15B6ZlCCwYZ+HuGHhcf5tXlYfncpEBTSO5CQTginf2CgdBNJq 77w2vUc4MZFey3d/wYJhjfZ/i/FJkUBC80XGlGuQwMXExVsK76NoY4gYsOkbzYgjylJX R19L+4K1wu7P0RCNx5wllxXdz2j+SJk5PiUVk1YdcKdr4PnmR7/InmEMEkNtMs/u0Llk z+iRyKE6SC7tvA66CzBhJORynIXiXjl5Dc5gkJ+8NgWpwdSoavS7SJAREmjyot+3N/+4 rPAA== X-Received: by 10.180.211.19 with SMTP id my19mr8521954wic.2.1406744861345; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (105-237-190-183.access.mtnbusiness.co.za. [105.237.190.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f16sm12299185wic.7.2014.07.30.11.27.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53D938E8.9080009@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:26:48 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling References: <20140729201652.GA14289@waltdnes.org> <20140730160224.29830c66@digimed.co.uk> <53D93323.1060300@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <53D93323.1060300@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 62840388-4bbf-434b-9a05-025bdf65b92b X-Archives-Hash: 1f9c5dad06fe98668dab5b0e69380633 On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the > times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use > is in a lot of cases neither small, nor not bloated. > > > Usually it comes from the same headspace that ricing comes from. Humans are all about perception, very very very few of them can actually look at things in an unbiased way. So it goes like this: User hates Gnome. [opinion] User decides that because Gnome integrates so many things vertically then Gnome must necessarily be bloated. [invalid conclusion not backed up by facts] User decides to try Razor|LXDE|Enlightenment|*box|whatever [valid activity] User likes [opinion] User concludes that is therefore "better" than Gnome [erronously equate specific opinion with fact for the general case] Therefore is not bloated and Gnome is, to satisfy wrong conclusion at #2 [I can't even begin to think what fallacy this is] Not much opinion in any of that. We humans are mostly hard-wired to react based on past experience and data blindly accepted as fact in the past. 9 times out of 10 this helps you leap out of the way of the tiger seeking to have you for lunch. You got this ability from dad's genes and it must be raising the odds for you and he otherwise he wouldn't have survived long enough to sire you. If you stop to think about the tiger, he is for sure going to have a nice lunch. So we humans that survived did so by jumping to conclusions and having them work out OK on average. This new-fangled idea of actually thinking about things all the way through is a very new idea, and most of the species hasn't gotten the hang of it yet. So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS "*doubles* the running speed, dude!" -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com