[gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Alan McKinnon]

I use KDE's plasma pager. It gives a nice MacOS-like grid layout that
pops up when switching virtual desktops. Trouble is, the thing doesn't
enable itself when starting KDE, I have to do that manually:

right click pager in panel -> pager settings -> Virtual desktops ->
Switching -> Show desktop layout indicators

disable and re-enable it brings the popup back. It's now getting
annoying, and things like .xsesssion-errors are devoid of useful info on
the matter. Tips anyone?

Note this is the virtual desktop layout popup, it shows up in the middle
of the screen. It's not the keyboard layout widget in the panel.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I use KDE's plasma pager. It gives a nice MacOS-like grid layout that
> pops up when switching virtual desktops. Trouble is, the thing doesn't
> enable itself when starting KDE, I have to do that manually:
>
> right click pager in panel -> pager settings -> Virtual desktops ->
> Switching -> Show desktop layout indicators
>
> disable and re-enable it brings the popup back. It's now getting
> annoying, and things like .xsesssion-errors are devoid of useful info on
> the matter. Tips anyone?
>
> Note this is the virtual desktop layout popup, it shows up in the middle
> of the screen. It's not the keyboard layout widget in the panel.
>
>

I have noticed something else odd as well.  I use folder layout, like
KDE3 had, for my KDE desktop setup.  When I login to KDE, I have to
switch to some other layout then switch back to folder to get my icons
to show up.  Once in a blue moon, it works as it should but most of the
time, I have to go through this to get it to look like I have it set to
look. 

It's a different issue but could have a common cause.  It seems some
setting/config doesn't get stored properly.  Then when we login, we have
to undo/redo to get it to work. 

I have been putting up with my issue for about a year or so.  I haven't
done any research as to bug reports etc because I'm not real sure what
to look for.

Could be totally different, could be related.  Just thought it worth
adding to the pot.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 16.07.2014 09:07, schrieb Dale:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> I use KDE's plasma pager. It gives a nice MacOS-like grid layout that
>> pops up when switching virtual desktops. Trouble is, the thing doesn't
>> enable itself when starting KDE, I have to do that manually:
>>
>> right click pager in panel -> pager settings -> Virtual desktops ->
>> Switching -> Show desktop layout indicators
>>
>> disable and re-enable it brings the popup back. It's now getting
>> annoying, and things like .xsesssion-errors are devoid of useful info on
>> the matter. Tips anyone?
>>
>> Note this is the virtual desktop layout popup, it shows up in the middle
>> of the screen. It's not the keyboard layout widget in the panel.
>>
>>
> I have noticed something else odd as well.  I use folder layout, like
> KDE3 had, for my KDE desktop setup.  When I login to KDE, I have to
> switch to some other layout then switch back to folder to get my icons
> to show up.  Once in a blue moon, it works as it should but most of the
> time, I have to go through this to get it to look like I have it set to
> look. 
>
> It's a different issue but could have a common cause.  It seems some
> setting/config doesn't get stored properly.  Then when we login, we have
> to undo/redo to get it to work. 
>
> I have been putting up with my issue for about a year or so.  I haven't
> done any research as to bug reports etc because I'm not real sure what
> to look for.
>
> Could be totally different, could be related.  Just thought it worth
> adding to the pot.  ;-)
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>

easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 16.07.2014 09:07, schrieb Dale:
>> I have noticed something else odd as well.  I use folder layout, like
>> KDE3 had, for my KDE desktop setup.  When I login to KDE, I have to
>> switch to some other layout then switch back to folder to get my icons
>> to show up.  Once in a blue moon, it works as it should but most of the
>> time, I have to go through this to get it to look like I have it set to
>> look. 
>>
>> It's a different issue but could have a common cause.  It seems some
>> setting/config doesn't get stored properly.  Then when we login, we have
>> to undo/redo to get it to work. 
>>
>> I have been putting up with my issue for about a year or so.  I haven't
>> done any research as to bug reports etc because I'm not real sure what
>> to look for.
>>
>> Could be totally different, could be related.  Just thought it worth
>> adding to the pot.  ;-)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>
>

I've done that before and it takes way to much time for me.  What I may
end up doing is just doing a rm on the kde directory.  Thing is, even
that may not fix the issue. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[J. Roeleveld]

On 16 July 2014 20:26:19 CEST, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 16.07.2014 09:07, schrieb Dale:
>>> I have noticed something else odd as well.  I use folder layout,
>like
>>> KDE3 had, for my KDE desktop setup.  When I login to KDE, I have to
>>> switch to some other layout then switch back to folder to get my
>icons
>>> to show up.  Once in a blue moon, it works as it should but most of
>the
>>> time, I have to go through this to get it to look like I have it set
>to
>>> look. 
>>>
>>> It's a different issue but could have a common cause.  It seems some
>>> setting/config doesn't get stored properly.  Then when we login, we
>have
>>> to undo/redo to get it to work. 
>>>
>>> I have been putting up with my issue for about a year or so.  I
>haven't
>>> done any research as to bug reports etc because I'm not real sure
>what
>>> to look for.
>>>
>>> Could be totally different, could be related.  Just thought it worth
>>> adding to the pot.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>>>
>>>
>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem
>occurs.
>>
>>
>
>I've done that before and it takes way to much time for me.  What I may
>end up doing is just doing a rm on the kde directory.  Thing is, even
>that may not fix the issue. 
>
>Dale
>
>:-)  :-) 

Don't forget the random stuff in ~/.local and maybe also other directories.
I tend to keep important files outside my home directory and treat that as just a storage place of config files and browser cache.

I have a symlink in my home directory pointing to where the important files are kept to make it quick to find.

--
Joost
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 16 July 2014 20:26:19 CEST, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've done that before and it takes way to much time for me.  What I may
>> end up doing is just doing a rm on the kde directory.  Thing is, even
>> that may not fix the issue. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Don't forget the random stuff in ~/.local and maybe also other directories.
> I tend to keep important files outside my home directory and treat that as just a storage place of config files and browser cache.
>
> I have a symlink in my home directory pointing to where the important files are kept to make it quick to find.
>
> --
> Joost

I used to have a /data directory that was on a separate hard drive.  It
makes backups easier and if something bad happens, I'm not worried about
config files much if at all. 

So far, I have had to delete/rename the kde directory twice to fix some
weird problem.  I may do this again when the next big update comes out. 
One would think that KDE would either warn folks about config issues or
have some script that lets users know there may be issues.  It would
also be nice if they would let us know which file we could remove so
that everything isn't lost.  Then again, it may be that it only affects
my setup.  I still like some things about the old KDE3 way so I tend to
run that way as much as I can but others have moved on. 

I suspect Alan may end up renaming his directory and trying that before
it is over.  It's just a pain to get everything set back like it was
again tho.  :/ 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 16.07.2014 09:07, schrieb Dale:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> I use KDE's plasma pager. It gives a nice MacOS-like grid layout that
>>> pops up when switching virtual desktops. Trouble is, the thing doesn't
>>> enable itself when starting KDE, I have to do that manually:
>>>
>>> right click pager in panel -> pager settings -> Virtual desktops ->
>>> Switching -> Show desktop layout indicators
>>>
>>> disable and re-enable it brings the popup back. It's now getting
>>> annoying, and things like .xsesssion-errors are devoid of useful info on
>>> the matter. Tips anyone?
>>>
>>> Note this is the virtual desktop layout popup, it shows up in the middle
>>> of the screen. It's not the keyboard layout widget in the panel.
>>>
>>>
>> I have noticed something else odd as well.  I use folder layout, like
>> KDE3 had, for my KDE desktop setup.  When I login to KDE, I have to
>> switch to some other layout then switch back to folder to get my icons
>> to show up.  Once in a blue moon, it works as it should but most of the
>> time, I have to go through this to get it to look like I have it set to
>> look. 
>>
>> It's a different issue but could have a common cause.  It seems some
>> setting/config doesn't get stored properly.  Then when we login, we have
>> to undo/redo to get it to work. 
>>
>> I have been putting up with my issue for about a year or so.  I haven't
>> done any research as to bug reports etc because I'm not real sure what
>> to look for.
>>
>> Could be totally different, could be related.  Just thought it worth
>> adding to the pot.  ;-)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
> 
> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.


<doh>
Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>
> <doh>
> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>
>

I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 

Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:42:27 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that
> lasts. 

I just emerge the latest KDE upgrades, on two systems, without
renaming .kde4 and everything works just as it should. How long will it
last? Well, KDE updates are every two months, and each of the previous
one has survived the two months until the next one.

But then, I'm not Dale....


-- 
Neil Bothwick

QOTD:
	The only easy way to tell a hamster from a gerbil is that the
	gerbil has more dark meat.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:42:27 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
>> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
>> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that
>> lasts. 
> I just emerge the latest KDE upgrades, on two systems, without
> renaming .kde4 and everything works just as it should. How long will it
> last? Well, KDE updates are every two months, and each of the previous
> one has survived the two months until the next one.
>
> But then, I'm not Dale....
>
>

Well, this broke a good while back after a upgrade.  It could be that it
is the way I have my desktop set up that few if anyone else uses.  I've
had to do this a couple times before for sure.  It just breaks sometimes
and I get to start our fresh.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>
>>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>>
>> <doh>
>> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>>
>>
> 
> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 
> 
> Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
> account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
> owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
> is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 

Why change the permissions? They must be rw for the user using them
which means chmod 6xx, the group being entirely irrelevant as it will
never be referenced. If the new user is doing the copy then they will be
owned by that new user anyway. "cp -a" will just always do the right
thing in this case :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 17/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>>> <doh>
>>> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>>>
>>>
>> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
>> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
>> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 
>>
>> Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
>> account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
>> owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
>> is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 
> Why change the permissions? They must be rw for the user using them
> which means chmod 6xx, the group being entirely irrelevant as it will
> never be referenced. If the new user is doing the copy then they will be
> owned by that new user anyway. "cp -a" will just always do the right
> thing in this case :-)
>
>

Well, I usually copy as root which leaves the permissions the same. 
Since you do it as user then you are right. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/07/2014 23:31, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 17/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>>>> <doh>
>>>> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
>>> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
>>> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 
>>>
>>> Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
>>> account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
>>> owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
>>> is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 
>> Why change the permissions? They must be rw for the user using them
>> which means chmod 6xx, the group being entirely irrelevant as it will
>> never be referenced. If the new user is doing the copy then they will be
>> owned by that new user anyway. "cp -a" will just always do the right
>> thing in this case :-)
>>
>>
> 
> Well, I usually copy as root which leaves the permissions the same. 
> Since you do it as user then you are right. 


DO NOT DO THAT COPY AS ROOT. That's just needlessly
asking for trouble.

Do it as the destination user, as long as it can read the source user's
home dir it all works out fine. Group membership is usually sufficient
and the only case where it's an issue is if home dirs are set to
rwx------ or encrypted


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 17/07/2014 23:31, Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
>>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>>> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>>>>> <doh>
>>>>> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
>>>> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
>>>> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 
>>>>
>>>> Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
>>>> account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
>>>> owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
>>>> is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 
>>> Why change the permissions? They must be rw for the user using them
>>> which means chmod 6xx, the group being entirely irrelevant as it will
>>> never be referenced. If the new user is doing the copy then they will be
>>> owned by that new user anyway. "cp -a" will just always do the right
>>> thing in this case :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Well, I usually copy as root which leaves the permissions the same. 
>> Since you do it as user then you are right. 
>
> DO NOT DO THAT COPY AS ROOT. That's just needlessly
> asking for trouble.
>
> Do it as the destination user, as long as it can read the source user's
> home dir it all works out fine. Group membership is usually sufficient
> and the only case where it's an issue is if home dirs are set to
> rwx------ or encrypted
>
>

I always have a Konsole open as root.  I never have one open as a user. 
I been doing it that way ever since shortly after I started using
Linux.  I got tired of having to switch  from one user to another every
time I wanted to do something.  If I am root, I can copy from wherever I
want to wherever I want.  Once it is done, I can fix permissions if
needed.  It also means I can run whatever command without having to see
who I am logged in as first as well. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Alan McKinnon]

On 18/07/2014 11:48, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 17/07/2014 23:31, Dale wrote:
>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>> On 17/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
>>>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/07/2014 18:45, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>>> easiest way to test: new user. Copy over config files until problem occurs.
>>>>>> <doh>
>>>>>> Yes of course, that's the best way. Didn't think of that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I just did my KDE upgrade so I renamed the .kde4 directory.  I logged
>>>>> in, set up enough that I could test things and then logged out.  When I
>>>>> logged back in, it worked like it should.  Let's see how long that lasts. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan, make sure you change the permissions on those file.  I have a test
>>>>> account that I rarely use as well.  In the past, I had to change the
>>>>> owner from dale to dale2 which is my account names.  Usually the group
>>>>> is the same so the owner is all that needs changing. 
>>>> Why change the permissions? They must be rw for the user using them
>>>> which means chmod 6xx, the group being entirely irrelevant as it will
>>>> never be referenced. If the new user is doing the copy then they will be
>>>> owned by that new user anyway. "cp -a" will just always do the right
>>>> thing in this case :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, I usually copy as root which leaves the permissions the same. 
>>> Since you do it as user then you are right. 
>>
>> DO NOT DO THAT COPY AS ROOT. That's just needlessly
>> asking for trouble.
>>
>> Do it as the destination user, as long as it can read the source user's
>> home dir it all works out fine. Group membership is usually sufficient
>> and the only case where it's an issue is if home dirs are set to
>> rwx------ or encrypted
>>
>>
> 
> I always have a Konsole open as root.  I never have one open as a user. 
> I been doing it that way ever since shortly after I started using
> Linux.  I got tired of having to switch  from one user to another every
> time I wanted to do something.  If I am root, I can copy from wherever I
> want to wherever I want.  Once it is done, I can fix permissions if
> needed.  It also means I can run whatever command without having to see
> who I am logged in as first as well. 


So why do you have a user dale at all?


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE plasma pager layout indicator

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 18/07/2014 11:48, Dale wrote:
>>
>> I always have a Konsole open as root.  I never have one open as a user. 
>> I been doing it that way ever since shortly after I started using
>> Linux.  I got tired of having to switch  from one user to another every
>> time I wanted to do something.  If I am root, I can copy from wherever I
>> want to wherever I want.  Once it is done, I can fix permissions if
>> needed.  It also means I can run whatever command without having to see
>> who I am logged in as first as well. 
>
> So why do you have a user dale at all?
>
>

Because there is a difference in having a Konsole open as root and
browsing the internet, editing images with GIMP, checking my emails,
playing a card game and other things that don't require a root Konsole. 
I keep the Konsole open for those things that commonly need/require root
privileges such as editing config files, running scripts in /root,
backups and a few other things. 

Each has its use.  I use each one for what I need to get things done. 

Dale

:-)  :-)