[gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71

emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
http://bpaste.net/show/447617/

The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.

Kind regards cinder

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Dan O.]

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I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
show what packages would need to be emerged.

-- 
Dan Oriani
redchops.com
(Website forever under construction)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:

> Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
>
> emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
>
> The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
> available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
>
> Kind regards cinder
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
> I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
> show what packages would need to be emerged.
> 
> -- 
> Dan Oriani
> redchops.com
> (Website forever under construction)
> 
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
> 
> > Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> > for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> >
> > emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> > http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
> >
> > The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
> > available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
> >
> > Kind regards cinder
> >
> >
Whoops! Sorry. Here it is:

emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 2>&1
http://bpaste.net/show/447758/

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
> I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
> show what packages would need to be emerged.
> 
> -- 
> Dan Oriani
> redchops.com
> (Website forever under construction)
> 
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
> 
> > Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> > for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> >
> > emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> > http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
> >
> > The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
> > available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
> >
> > Kind regards cinder
> >
> >
Whoops! Sorry, try this
emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 2>&1
http://bpaste.net/show/447969/

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 09/07/2014 09:54, List Reader wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
>> I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
>> show what packages would need to be emerged.
>>
>> -- 
>> Dan Oriani
>> redchops.com
>> (Website forever under construction)
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
>>
>>> Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
>>> for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
>>>
>>> emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
>>> http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
>>>
>>> The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
>>> available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
>>>
>>> Kind regards cinder
>>>
>>>
> Whoops! Sorry, try this
> emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 2>&1
> http://bpaste.net/show/447969/

Please stop using pastebin services. It makes it very hard to help you
as I now have to do extra work to inline your output where it can be
seen and make sense:

The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
 (see "package.accept_keywords" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71[python_single_target_python3_4]
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
=dev-lang/python-3.4.1 ~amd64
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
=media-gfx/blender-2.71 ~amd64
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
=dev-lang/python-exec-2.9999 **
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
=dev-python/requests-2.3.0 ~amd64
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
=dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 ~amd64

The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
 (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
>=dev-python/requests-2.3.0 python_targets_python3_4
# required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
# required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
>=dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 python_targets_python3_4

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
">=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)]".
(dependency required by "dev-python/requests-2.3.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "media-gfx/blender-2.71" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "=media-gfx/blender-2.71" [argument])




Just do exactly what the output says.
The first chunk gets copied exactly into package.accept_keywords
The second chunk gets copied exactly into package.use
The third chunk is information to assist you. It is saying that
according to your setup, portage cannot find a way to install chardet
that satisfies blender's requirements, the first two chunks are how to
make it possible (portage will never make these changes automatically).

The third chunk does not mean that the listed ebuilds are missing, it
means they cannot be satisfied.





-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 03:14:51PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 09/07/2014 09:54, List Reader wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
> >> I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
> >> show what packages would need to be emerged.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Dan Oriani
> >> redchops.com
> >> (Website forever under construction)
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> >>> for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> >>>
> >>> emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> >>> http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
> >>>
> >>> The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
> >>> available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards cinder
> >>>
> >>>
> > Whoops! Sorry, try this
> > emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 2>&1
> > http://bpaste.net/show/447969/
> 
> Please stop using pastebin services. It makes it very hard to help you
> as I now have to do extra work to inline your output where it can be
> seen and make sense:
> 
> The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
>  (see "package.accept_keywords" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71[python_single_target_python3_4]
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> =dev-lang/python-3.4.1 ~amd64
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> =media-gfx/blender-2.71 ~amd64
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> =dev-lang/python-exec-2.9999 **
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> =dev-python/requests-2.3.0 ~amd64
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> =dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 ~amd64
> 
> The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
>  (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> >=dev-python/requests-2.3.0 python_targets_python3_4
> # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
> # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
> >=dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 python_targets_python3_4
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
> ">=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)]".
> (dependency required by "dev-python/requests-2.3.0" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "media-gfx/blender-2.71" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "=media-gfx/blender-2.71" [argument])
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Just do exactly what the output says.
> The first chunk gets copied exactly into package.accept_keywords
> The second chunk gets copied exactly into package.use
> The third chunk is information to assist you. It is saying that
> according to your setup, portage cannot find a way to install chardet
> that satisfies blender's requirements, the first two chunks are how to
> make it possible (portage will never make these changes automatically).
> 
> The third chunk does not mean that the listed ebuilds are missing, it
> means they cannot be satisfied.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> 
> 
I am terribly sorry for using wgetpaste, it won't happen again. I was
only following the official Gentoo Wiki.

"When seeking help, it's best to come prepared. Someone volunteering
their time doesn't want to waste that time fumbling about. That's where
wgetpaste comes in handy. Make sure you have merged app-text/wgetpaste,
and then you're ready to be helped."
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information

I have added the keywords and use flags to package.accept_keywords &
package.use respectively, but I still...

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
">=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)]".
(dependency required by "dev-python/requests-2.3.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "media-gfx/blender-2.71" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "=media-gfx/blender-2.71" [argument])


What does it mean to satisfy >=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?


equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1

* Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...

 * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
  `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
     `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
     [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
     python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
     python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
     -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
     -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
     -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
     -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
     -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
        `--  dev-lang/python-2.6.9  (>=dev-lang/python-2.6.8-r3)
	M[package.mask] 
	   `--  dev-lang/python-2.7.6  (>=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2)
	   amd64 
	      `--  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3
	      (>=dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r2) amd64 
	         `--  dev-lang/python-3.3.3
		 (>=dev-lang/python-3.3.2-r2) amd64 
		    `--  dev-lang/python-3.4.1  (dev-lang/python) ~amd64 
		       `--  virtual/pypy-2.3  (virtual/pypy)
		       M[package.mask] 
		          `--  dev-lang/python-exec-2.9999
			  (dev-lang/python-exec)
			  [python_targets_python2_6(-)?
			  python_targets_python2_7(-)?
			  python_targets_python3_2(-)?
			  python_targets_python3_3(-)?
			  python_targets_python3_4(-)?
			  python_targets_pypy(-)?
			  -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
			  -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
			  -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
			  -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
			  -python_single_target_python3_4(-)
			  -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
			  [ dev-python/chardet-2.2.1 stats: packages
			  (9), max depth (1) ]


Sorry about the formatting, if I redirect to a file and attach, only this
is shown:

cat equery_g_chardet-2.2.1.txt 

dev-python/chardet-2.2.1:
[  0]  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1   
[  1]  dev-python/setuptools-2.2   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-2.6.9   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-2.7.6   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-3.3.3   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-3.4.1   
[  1]  virtual/pypy-2.3   
[  1]  dev-lang/python-exec-2.9999

I see that virtual/pypy-2.3 is hard masked.
`--  virtual/pypy-2.3  (virtual/pypy) M[package.mask]
Is it relevent?

This is getting messy, I didn't think I would need so many unstable
packages. I am keen to learn how to interperet these emerge messages, so
any alaboration is welcom. I don't want to annoy anybody with stupid
questions. I only send mail when I'm desperate. Sorry and thank you.

On bended knee Cinder

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Stroller]

On Thu, 10 July 2014, at 4:11 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> What does it mean to satisfy >=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?
> 
> 
> equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
> 
> * Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...
> 
> * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
>  `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
>     `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
>     [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
>     python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
>     python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
>     -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
>     -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
>     -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
>     -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
>     -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
>        `--  dev-lang/python-2.6.9  (>=dev-lang/python-2.6.8-r3)
> 	M[package.mask] 
> 	   `--  dev-lang/python-2.7.6  (>=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2)
> 	   amd64 
> 	      `--  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3
> 	      (>=dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r2) amd64 
> 	         `--  dev-lang/python-3.3.3
> 		 (>=dev-lang/python-3.3.2-r2) amd64 
> 		    `--  dev-lang/python-3.4.1  (dev-lang/python) ~amd64 
> … 
> 
> This is getting messy, I didn't think I would need so many unstable
> packages. 

I'm very confused, too. 

=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1 offers to emerge just fine on my system, but when I try to emerge Blender I get a similar mess to you.

It seems to be related to this PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET business.

I understand that PYTHON_TARGETS means "build for this version of Python" but am not familiar with the single target part. 

Perhaps someone else can explain?

Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system, but 3.4.x?

Stroller.



PS: please trim quoted text when posting. The previous replies are only quoted to give the reader context. We probably only need the context of the last one or two replies, not of several. 

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 13:51, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 10 July 2014, at 4:11 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> What does it mean to satisfy >=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?
>>
>>
>> equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
>>
>> * Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...
>>
>> * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
>>  `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
>>     `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
>>     [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
>>     python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
>>     python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
>>     -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
>>     -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
>>     -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
>>     -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
>>     -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
>>        `--  dev-lang/python-2.6.9  (>=dev-lang/python-2.6.8-r3)
>> 	M[package.mask] 
>> 	   `--  dev-lang/python-2.7.6  (>=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2)
>> 	   amd64 
>> 	      `--  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3
>> 	      (>=dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r2) amd64 
>> 	         `--  dev-lang/python-3.3.3
>> 		 (>=dev-lang/python-3.3.2-r2) amd64 
>> 		    `--  dev-lang/python-3.4.1  (dev-lang/python) ~amd64 
>> … 
>>
>> This is getting messy, I didn't think I would need so many unstable
>> packages. 
> 
> I'm very confused, too. 
> 
> =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1 offers to emerge just fine on my system, but when I try to emerge Blender I get a similar mess to you.
> 
> It seems to be related to this PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET business.
> 
> I understand that PYTHON_TARGETS means "build for this version of Python" but am not familiar with the single target part. 
> 
> Perhaps someone else can explain?


The python targets are an expanded USE which is usually set in the
profile but can be over-ridden in make.conf. My emerge --info shows:

PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3

As I understand it, PYTHON_TARGETS lists all the available python
versions that ebuilds may use. If an ebuild is coded to use one in the
list, then great and the build proceeds.

PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET defines the python version an ebuild must use if it
only wants python and does not specify a version.

This all applies at build time so it's not quite the same thing as
"eselect python" which specifies what happens at *runtime*

The best way to maintain this is to let the profile do it (which is why
most folks don't have any of this in make.conf). You can over-ride the
profile but then the user must maintain the list[1].

If I do this:

PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 python3_4" emerge -pv blender

then I get one last error about USE="gflags" for dev-cpp/glog, adding
that to package.use makes portage happy. SO I think the OP just needs to
add this to make.conf:

PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 python3_4"
and then tweak package.use if necessary

> 
> Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system, but 3.4.x?

No, it means he needs to tell portage that 3.4 is available for ebuilds
to build against.
Confused? Yeah. me too.






[1] I recall a thread over a year ago where this was explained and I
found the quote I remember:

If you are running a modern system with only Python 2.7 & 3.2 installed,
then you don't have to do anything. The defaults will simply fit you,
and let you keep your system up-to-date when new Python versions are
deployed. However, if you'd like to use another set of Python
implementations, you will need to set PYTHON_TARGETS in your make.conf
file appropriately.

It's referenced here:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-946824-start-0.html


To be honest, I'm starting to find Gentoo is being too bloody clever for
it's own good, introducing complexity in an effort to get portage to
"always do the right thing", whatever "right" may be in this context.

We have this python stuff, we have subslots (together with the portage
output from 6 months ago that no living person ever understood) and
recently portage is starting to make weird choices for people due to the
use of
|| ( )
in ebuilds.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 13:51, Stroller wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 10 July 2014, at 4:11 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> What does it mean to satisfy >=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?
> >>
> >>
> >> equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
> >>
> >> * Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...
> >>
> >> * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
> >>  `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
> >>     `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
> >>     [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
> >>     python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
> >>     python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
> >>     -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
> >>     -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
> >>     -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
> >>     -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
> >>     -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
> >>        `--  dev-lang/python-2.6.9  (>=dev-lang/python-2.6.8-r3)
> >> 	M[package.mask] 
> >> 	   `--  dev-lang/python-2.7.6  (>=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2)
> >> 	   amd64 
> >> 	      `--  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3
> >> 	      (>=dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r2) amd64 
> >> 	         `--  dev-lang/python-3.3.3
> >> 		 (>=dev-lang/python-3.3.2-r2) amd64 
> >> 		    `--  dev-lang/python-3.4.1  (dev-lang/python) ~amd64 
> >> ? 
> >>
> >> This is getting messy, I didn't think I would need so many unstable
> >> packages. 
> > 
> > I'm very confused, too. 
> > 
> > =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1 offers to emerge just fine on my system, but when I try to emerge Blender I get a similar mess to you.
> > 
> > It seems to be related to this PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET business.
> > 
> > I understand that PYTHON_TARGETS means "build for this version of Python" but am not familiar with the single target part. 
> > 
> > Perhaps someone else can explain?
> 
> 
> The python targets are an expanded USE which is usually set in the
> profile but can be over-ridden in make.conf. My emerge --info shows:
> 
> PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3
> 
> As I understand it, PYTHON_TARGETS lists all the available python
> versions that ebuilds may use. If an ebuild is coded to use one in the
> list, then great and the build proceeds.
> 
> PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET defines the python version an ebuild must use if it
> only wants python and does not specify a version.
> 
> This all applies at build time so it's not quite the same thing as
> "eselect python" which specifies what happens at *runtime*
> 
> The best way to maintain this is to let the profile do it (which is why
> most folks don't have any of this in make.conf). You can over-ride the
> profile but then the user must maintain the list[1].
> 
> If I do this:
> 
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 python3_4" emerge -pv blender
> 
> then I get one last error about USE="gflags" for dev-cpp/glog, adding
> that to package.use makes portage happy. SO I think the OP just needs to
> add this to make.conf:
> 
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 python3_4"
> and then tweak package.use if necessary
> 
> > 
> > Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system, but 3.4.x?
> 
> No, it means he needs to tell portage that 3.4 is available for ebuilds
> to build against.
> Confused? Yeah. me too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [1] I recall a thread over a year ago where this was explained and I
> found the quote I remember:
> 
> If you are running a modern system with only Python 2.7 & 3.2 installed,
> then you don't have to do anything. The defaults will simply fit you,
> and let you keep your system up-to-date when new Python versions are
> deployed. However, if you'd like to use another set of Python
> implementations, you will need to set PYTHON_TARGETS in your make.conf
> file appropriately.
> 
> It's referenced here:
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-946824-start-0.html
> 
> 
> To be honest, I'm starting to find Gentoo is being too bloody clever for
> it's own good, introducing complexity in an effort to get portage to
> "always do the right thing", whatever "right" may be in this context.
> 
> We have this python stuff, we have subslots (together with the portage
> output from 6 months ago that no living person ever understood) and
> recently portage is starting to make weird choices for people due to the
> use of
> || ( )
> in ebuilds.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> 
> 

"As I understand it, PYTHON_TARGETS lists all the available python
versions that ebuilds may use. If an ebuild is coded to use one in the
list, then great and the build proceeds."

Yes! Yes! Thank you. Thats what I thought.

"This all applies at build time so it's not quite the same thing as
"eselect python" which specifies what happens at *runtime*"

Ah! I see.

"https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-946824-start-0.html"

Yeah! What he said.

"No, it means he needs to tell portage that 3.4 is available for ebuilds
to build against.
Confused? Yeah. me too."

emerge =dev-lang/python-3.4 ? Why not? I've got three slots already.

"SO I think the OP just needs to
add this to make.conf:

PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 python3_4"
and then tweak package.use if necessary"

Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
--autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.

(Yawn) Cinder

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
> Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
> the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
> --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
> similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
> apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
> eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.


Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
thing :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
>> Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
>> the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
>> --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
>> similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
>> apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
>> eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.
>
> Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
> looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
> sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
> thing :-)
>
>


After a little over 10 years, I'm still trying to get portage.  Just
when I start to make sense of something, they change the thing.  I
wonder if they do it just to pick on me.  "Let's make the error spit out
backwards just to screw with Dale."   Yep.  I bet that's it.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
>>> Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
>>> the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
>>> --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
>>> similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
>>> apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
>>> eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.
>>
>> Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
>> looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
>> sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
>> thing :-)
>>
>>
> 
> 
> After a little over 10 years, I'm still trying to get portage.  Just
> when I start to make sense of something, they change the thing.  I
> wonder if they do it just to pick on me.  "Let's make the error spit out
> backwards just to screw with Dale."   Yep.  I bet that's it.  ROFL 



You're /almost/ right

Actually, some clever dev wrote a script that polls this list, and every
23 times Dale uses the word "thingie" it makes a semi-random change to
the portage code. Each init-thingie counts as three regular thingies.

The changes are semi-random not fully properly random because the
changes are crafted to mess with Dale's head.

So now you know. It's not you and it isn't your fault :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 21:42, Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
>>>> Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
>>>> the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
>>>> --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
>>>> similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
>>>> apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
>>>> eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.
>>> Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
>>> looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
>>> sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
>>> thing :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> After a little over 10 years, I'm still trying to get portage.  Just
>> when I start to make sense of something, they change the thing.  I
>> wonder if they do it just to pick on me.  "Let's make the error spit out
>> backwards just to screw with Dale."   Yep.  I bet that's it.  ROFL 
>
>
> You're /almost/ right
>
> Actually, some clever dev wrote a script that polls this list, and every
> 23 times Dale uses the word "thingie" it makes a semi-random change to
> the portage code. Each init-thingie counts as three regular thingies.
>
> The changes are semi-random not fully properly random because the
> changes are crafted to mess with Dale's head.
>
> So now you know. It's not you and it isn't your fault :-)
>
>

I wish they would stop doing that!!!

You recall my REALLY old rig?  The AMD 2500+ one named smoker.  Anyway,
I have booted CDs/DVDs with it a few times so hardware it works fine.  I
couldn't get Gentoo to boot up right.  It would load the kernel, start
the services and then give be a blank screen when X would start, I guess
since the timing is about right.  Bit rot I guess.  I dunno.  Weird. 
One would think it would boot just like it did before tho.  It now has
that Mageia installed on it, well, being installed.  Oh, hitting ctrl
alt F* didn't do anything either.  The magic keys worked tho.

I noticed another thing too.  I wanted to boot into boot runlevel.  I
added softlevel=boot on the grub command line.  I have noticed this
before and since that rig is out of date, it could work correctly now. 
Thing is, it boots, goes right past the boot runlevel and just plain
ignores my wishes then goes back to boot runlevel.  Like I said, I
noticed that before.  It boots normally THEN switches back to whatever
runlevel was requested.  Well, obviously if something in the default
runlevel causes a crash then that doesn't end well. 

I'm going to test that on my new rig when I reboot.  If it still does
that, it may need some Raid.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 08:53:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
> > Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
> > the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't offer me
> > --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
> > similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
> > apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
> > eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.
> 
> 
> Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
> looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
> sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
> thing :-)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> 
> 
> >Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
> >looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
> >sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
> >thing :-)

Thanks. I can't leave it alone. A gave Arch a go, but Portage is
amazing. Tormenting at times, but amazing. I can't bear it any other
way.

p.s. I can't figure out how to quote easily in mutt.

[gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[James]

Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:


> Perhaps someone else can explain?
> 
> Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system,
but 3.4.x?
> 
> Stroller.

I believe this thread (prolly) explains what's up with the latest version
of blender?

https://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-1325

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:01:51PM +0000, James wrote:
> Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> > Perhaps someone else can explain?
> > 
> > Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system,
> but 3.4.x?
> > 
> > Stroller.
> 
> I believe this thread (prolly) explains what's up with the latest version
> of blender?
> 
> https://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-1325
> 
> hth,
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >I believe this thread (prolly) explains what's up with the latest
> >version
> >of blender?
> >
> >https://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-1325
> >
> >hth,
> >James

Interesting. Thanks. That's the solution I was ariving at. I have already
~amd64'd =dev-lang/python-3.4.0. Hey! Let's go with a round four slots of
python. I can count that One hand.  

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[J. Roeleveld]

On 9 July 2014 07:18:27 CEST, "Dan O." <dan@redchops.com> wrote:
>I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
>show what packages would need to be emerged.

Please do not top post.
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Dan Oriani]

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:55:53PM +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 9 July 2014 07:18:27 CEST, "Dan O." <dan@redchops.com> wrote:
> >I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
> >show what packages would need to be emerged.
> 
> Please do not top post.
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 

Sorry, I had just re-set up my mail client and forgot to change that
key setting. Something like that really should be a default setting,
in my mind.

-- 
Dan Oriani
redchops.com
(Website perpetually under construction)

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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Stroller]

On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 6:14 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> 
> emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> http://bpaste.net/show/447617/

Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and paste into the body of the message, then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then most people, with GUI mail clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.

Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that pastebin services are hardly profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list messages are archived in multiple places and are referenced for years. 

If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful to other people with the same problem in the future.

You have been asked this once already in the last week:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257

You are making it harder for people to help you, and it looks like you're deliberately not listening to advice.

Stroller. 

Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

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On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 6:14 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> > for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> > 
> > emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> > http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
> 
> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and paste into the body of the message, then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then most people, with GUI mail clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.
> 
> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that pastebin services are hardly profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list messages are archived in multiple places and are referenced for years. 
> 
> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful to other people with the same problem in the future.
> 
> You have been asked this once already in the last week:
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
> 
> You are making it harder for people to help you, and it looks like you're deliberately not listening to advice.
> 
> Stroller. 

Sorry, first time using mutt, I didn't see the reply.
The Gentoo Wiki article on troubleshooting said to use wgetpaste,
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information
thats why I installed it. I'm all ears. Thank you.

Cinder

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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[List Reader]

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On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 6:14 am, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
> > for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
> > 
> > emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
> > http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
> 
> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and paste into the body of the message, then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then most people, with GUI mail clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.
> 
> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that pastebin services are hardly profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list messages are archived in multiple places and are referenced for years. 
> 
> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful to other people with the same problem in the future.
> 
> You have been asked this once already in the last week:
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
> 
> You are making it harder for people to help you, and it looks like you're deliberately not listening to advice.
> 
> Stroller. 

I'm sorry. I am still learning mutt. I didn't see:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
in my inbox. I have made a gmail account esspecialy for this list, as I
can't find any other free imap that works, and installed mutt to
interact with it, because that seems the thing to do, AND the Gentoo
Wiki says under the heading 'Collecting Additional Information'

"When seeking help, it's best to come prepared. Someone volunteering
their time doesn't want to waste that time fumbling about. That's where
wgetpaste comes in handy. Make sure you have merged app-text/wgetpaste,
and then you're ready to be helped."

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information

I am listening

Cinder

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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Stroller]

On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 4:21 pm, List Reader <gentooglelist@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> "When seeking help, it's best to come prepared. Someone volunteering
> their time doesn't want to waste that time fumbling about. That's where
> wgetpaste comes in handy. Make sure you have merged app-text/wgetpaste,
> and then you're ready to be helped."
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information

Thanks, I have fixed the wiki now. 

Stroller.

[gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[James]

Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:


> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and
paste into the body of the message,
> then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then
most people, with GUI mail
> clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.

> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that
pastebin services are hardly
> profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list
messages are archived in multiple
> places and are referenced for years. 

> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful
to other people with the same
> problem in the future.

I'll agree, this is excellent advise. However, I use game.org to read
and post to gentoo-user. So how do you attached a txt file to
those postings via gmane? Options to get the txt file attachemnent into the 
proper record?

Gmane refuses to post long replies. Gmane allows one to read and post
from a variety of machines, particularly useful when one locks up 
one's main workstation, which I have done of several occasions, and have
to use gmane to recover with the aid of the gentoo-user list:

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user


curiously,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 09/07/2014 18:44, James wrote:
> Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
> 
> 
>> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and
> paste into the body of the message,
>> then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then
> most people, with GUI mail
>> clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.
> 
>> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that
> pastebin services are hardly
>> profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list
> messages are archived in multiple
>> places and are referenced for years. 
> 
>> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful
> to other people with the same
>> problem in the future.
> 
> I'll agree, this is excellent advise. However, I use game.org to read
> and post to gentoo-user. So how do you attached a txt file to
> those postings via gmane? Options to get the txt file attachemnent into the 
> proper record?

gentoo-user is a mailing list. It receives mail to the list address and
forwards them on to all subscribers. It's all done by mail.

Now someone has built an email<->web_thingy gateway. It is deficient by
design and as you point out doesn't do big posts AT ALL.

That's too bad, but you chose that option and now you must deal with
it's deficiencies and shortcomings.

Sorry for the tone but that really is how it is.






> 
> Gmane refuses to post long replies. Gmane allows one to read and post
> from a variety of machines, particularly useful when one locks up 
> one's main workstation, which I have done of several occasions, and have
> to use gmane to recover with the aid of the gentoo-user list:
> 
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
> 
> 
> curiously,
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[James]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On 09/07/2014 18:44, James wrote:
> > Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
> > 
> > 
> >> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and
> > paste into the body of the message,
> >> then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then
> > most people, with GUI mail
> >> clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.
> > 
> >> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that
> > pastebin services are hardly
> >> profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list
> > messages are archived in multiple
> >> places and are referenced for years. 
> > 
> >> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful
> > to other people with the same
> >> problem in the future.
> > 
> > I'll agree, this is excellent advise. However, I use game.org to read
> > and post to gentoo-user. So how do you attached a txt file to
> > those postings via gmane? Options to get the txt file attachemnent into the 
> > proper record?
> 
> gentoo-user is a mailing list. It receives mail to the list address and
> forwards them on to all subscribers. It's all done by mail.
> 
> Now someone has built an email<->web_thingy gateway. It is deficient by
> design and as you point out doesn't do big posts AT ALL.
> 
> That's too bad, but you chose that option and now you must deal with
> it's deficiencies and shortcomings.
> 
> Sorry for the tone but that really is how it is.

What tone? You call that "tone" ? You're slipping..... been to 
too many 'team' meetings lately?   

Agreeded; just pointing it out. I find gmane too useful so
I tend to prune and post succinctly. Rarely do I need to put
up a big long post. But I do read and snip before posting;
so my approach is a valid as any..... focus, snip and post goes
a long way, but it does require some reading and editing skills,
just to set the record straight. Noobs can follow who they like,
as they like, when they like....

When needed I just use an  nntp font end...... (oh, had my own
solution already?)   tricky; precious; tricky........

You're slipping, you old_fart ?


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 09/07/2014 22:48, James wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>
>> On 09/07/2014 18:44, James wrote:
>>> Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and
>>> paste into the body of the message,
>>>> then please attach it as a plain text file. If you name it output.txt then
>>> most people, with GUI mail
>>>> clients, will be able to read it just by double-clicking.
>>>
>>>> Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that
>>> pastebin services are hardly
>>>> profitable, and close down all the time) whereas these mailing list
>>> messages are archived in multiple
>>>> places and are referenced for years. 
>>>
>>>> If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful
>>> to other people with the same
>>>> problem in the future.
>>>
>>> I'll agree, this is excellent advise. However, I use game.org to read
>>> and post to gentoo-user. So how do you attached a txt file to
>>> those postings via gmane? Options to get the txt file attachemnent into the 
>>> proper record?
>>
>> gentoo-user is a mailing list. It receives mail to the list address and
>> forwards them on to all subscribers. It's all done by mail.
>>
>> Now someone has built an email<->web_thingy gateway. It is deficient by
>> design and as you point out doesn't do big posts AT ALL.
>>
>> That's too bad, but you chose that option and now you must deal with
>> it's deficiencies and shortcomings.
>>
>> Sorry for the tone but that really is how it is.
> 
> What tone? You call that "tone" ? You're slipping..... been to 
> too many 'team' meetings lately?   
> 
> Agreeded; just pointing it out. I find gmane too useful so
> I tend to prune and post succinctly. Rarely do I need to put
> up a big long post. But I do read and snip before posting;
> so my approach is a valid as any..... focus, snip and post goes
> a long way, but it does require some reading and editing skills,
> just to set the record straight. Noobs can follow who they like,
> as they like, when they like....
> 
> When needed I just use an  nntp font end...... (oh, had my own
> solution already?)   tricky; precious; tricky........
> 
> You're slipping, you old_fart ?

Not so much slipping, more like new job, new employer.

It used to go like this:

Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
A: No. Because I said so. Now piss off.

I don't have quite the same street credd here yet, so now it's more like:

Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
well-thought out rationale here>




> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:48:47 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Not so much slipping, more like new job, new employer.
> 
> It used to go like this:
> 
> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
> A: No. Because I said so. Now piss off.
> 
> I don't have quite the same street credd here yet, so now it's more
> like:
> 
> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
> A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
> well-thought out rationale here>

There must be some substantial benefits to compensate for all that
tongue-biting :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 12:11, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:48:47 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> Not so much slipping, more like new job, new employer.
>>
>> It used to go like this:
>>
>> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
>> A: No. Because I said so. Now piss off.
>>
>> I don't have quite the same street credd here yet, so now it's more
>> like:
>>
>> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
>> A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
>> well-thought out rationale here>
> 
> There must be some substantial benefits to compensate for all that
> tongue-biting :)
> 
> 

Oh yes, there's a benefit all right. I'm now back in a place I was 3
years OK:

When I go home at night, I don't suffer from an over-powering urge to
murder my kids, dogs, wife and generally visit havoc and destruction on
all humanity.

My wife says I'm a nice guy again. She didn't like living with that
imposter.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:41:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> My wife says I'm a nice guy again.

I think we'll miss the old Alan :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 15:26, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:41:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> My wife says I'm a nice guy again.
> 
> I think we'll miss the old Alan :)
> 
> 


Awwwwwwww, c'mon, give the new guy a chance. You'll like him I'm sure.

Besides, I'm a sysadmin. You can trust me implicitly in this :-)



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[James]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:


> >> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
> >> A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
> >> well-thought out rationale here>


A politically correct Alan?   RUBBISH   mate   rubbish! 
(howz my tone?)


> > There must be some substantial benefits to compensate for all that
> > tongue-biting :)
> Oh yes, there's a benefit all right. I'm now back in a place I was 3
> years OK:
> When I go home at night, I don't suffer from an over-powering urge to
> murder my kids, dogs, wife and generally visit havoc and destruction on
> all humanity. My wife says I'm a nice guy again. She didn't like living 
> with that  imposter.


Yes, I too had to give up 'riding the tiger' some years ago. It's really
bad on your health.  I found being wise with money and enjoying my
(limited consulting) work leaves me with a far more rewarding life, 
and a lower tax bill.


;-)

James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2014 16:52, James wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>>> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
>>>> A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
>>>> well-thought out rationale here>
> 
> 
> A politically correct Alan?   RUBBISH   mate   rubbish! 
> (howz my tone?)

Your tone is fine :-)
In my circle of friends there would be an expletive or three in there,
but IIRC cussing isn't your thing so I reckon we can let it stand
> 
> 
>>> There must be some substantial benefits to compensate for all that
>>> tongue-biting :)
>> Oh yes, there's a benefit all right. I'm now back in a place I was 3
>> years OK:
>> When I go home at night, I don't suffer from an over-powering urge to
>> murder my kids, dogs, wife and generally visit havoc and destruction on
>> all humanity. My wife says I'm a nice guy again. She didn't like living 
>> with that  imposter.
> 
> 
> Yes, I too had to give up 'riding the tiger' some years ago. It's really
> bad on your health.  I found being wise with money and enjoying my
> (limited consulting) work leaves me with a far more rewarding life, 
> and a lower tax bill.

:-)


And for my next party trick, I'll see if I can get the man thread back
on track to helping the OP build blender!





-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[J. Roeleveld]

On 10 July 2014 13:41:36 CEST, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/07/2014 12:11, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:48:47 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> 
>>> Not so much slipping, more like new job, new employer.
>>>
>>> It used to go like this:
>>>
>>> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
>>> A: No. Because I said so. Now piss off.
>>>
>>> I don't have quite the same street credd here yet, so now it's more
>>> like:
>>>
>>> Q: Alan, can I ... <insert something stupid here>?
>>> A: I don't recommend that because ... <insert some politely worded
>>> well-thought out rationale here>
>> 
>> There must be some substantial benefits to compensate for all that
>> tongue-biting :)
>> 
>> 
>
>Oh yes, there's a benefit all right. I'm now back in a place I was 3
>years OK:
>
>When I go home at night, I don't suffer from an over-powering urge to
>murder my kids, dogs, wife and generally visit havoc and destruction on
>all humanity.
>
>My wife says I'm a nice guy again. She didn't like living with that
>imposter.

That is a very good benefit.

I only feel like getting rid of everyone except my family.  :)

--
Joost
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

[Stroller]

On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 5:44 pm, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> … 
> I'll agree, this is excellent advise. However, I use game.org to read
> and post to gentoo-user. So how do you attached a txt file to
> those postings via gmane? Options to get the txt file attachemnent into the 
> proper record?
> 
> Gmane refuses to post long replies. Gmane allows one to read and post
> from a variety of machines, particularly useful … 

Reading their FAQ, Gmane seem very friendly and helpful: http://gmane.org/faq.php

You might take this up with them directly: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss

Stroller.