[gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane from 
the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a Spitfire.

Yoo-hoo!

I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts from 
the 40s

Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[J. Roeleveld]

On 28 June 2014 16:54:52 CEST, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
>from 
>the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
>Spitfire.
>
>Yoo-hoo!
>
>I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts
>from 
>the 40s
>
>Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.

Pictures or it didn't happen :)

Seriously. If you do happen to be able to take pictures and/or videos. I would love a copy.

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 28 June 2014 16:54:52 CEST, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
> >from 
>> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
>> Spitfire.
>>
>> Yoo-hoo!
>>
>> I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts
> >from 
>> the 40s
>>
>> Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.
> Pictures or it didn't happen :)
>
> Seriously. If you do happen to be able to take pictures and/or videos. I would love a copy.
>
> --
> Joost


+1

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 28 June 2014 11:25:10 Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On 28 June 2014 16:54:52 CEST, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> 
wrote:
> >> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
> >> 
> > >from
> > >
> >> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
> >> Spitfire.
> >> 
> >> Yoo-hoo!
> >> 
> >> I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts
> >> 
> > >from
> > >
> >> the 40s
> >> 
> >> Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.
> > 
> > Pictures or it didn't happen :)
> > 
> > Seriously. If you do happen to be able to take pictures and/or videos. I
> > would love a copy.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> +1

Here's the Spitfire run. Hurricane to follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuVn7R4AcY

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[J. Roeleveld]

On Sunday, June 29, 2014 09:46:12 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 28 June 2014 11:25:10 Dale wrote:
> > J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > On 28 June 2014 16:54:52 CEST, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk>
> 
> wrote:
> > >> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
> > >> 
> > > >from
> > > >
> > >> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
> > >> Spitfire.
> > >> 
> > >> Yoo-hoo!
> > >> 
> > >> I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts
> > >> 
> > > >from
> > > >
> > >> the 40s
> > >> 
> > >> Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.
> > > 
> > > Pictures or it didn't happen :)
> > > 
> > > Seriously. If you do happen to be able to take pictures and/or videos. I
> > > would love a copy.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Joost
> > 
> > +1
> 
> Here's the Spitfire run. Hurricane to follow.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuVn7R4AcY

Thank you! :)

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> Here's the Spitfire run. Hurricane to follow.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuVn7R4AcY
>

Wow.  Video is good but I bet being there is much better.  I live about
4 or 5 miles from a air force base here.  We have mostly training type
planes that fly over us but on occasion, we have something really big
here.  We have even had the space shuttle land there a few times.  The
B2 bombers have been there as well. 

I have heard some of the large planes when they start their engines and
like I said, I'm several miles away and it is loud.  Video just can't
give you that even with a good sub-woofer. 

Thanks for the link. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 June 2014 04:22:16 Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Here's the Spitfire run. Hurricane to follow.
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuVn7R4AcY
> 
> Wow.  Video is good but I bet being there is much better.

Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew, but the 
Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet or so was among the 
two or three most impressive of my life. Both planes have V12 Rolls-Royce 
Merlin engines (I think). As each cylinder fired, the sound pressure went up 
extremely fast at the start of the exhaust beat, suggesting huge exhaust 
valves, and the deep-throated roar was ... just ... beyond description.

The only engine to come close was an extraordinary 1/3 scale model of a nine-
cylinder radial aero-engine I saw years ago at a national model engineering 
exhibition. The crankshaft was anchored to the frame, and the entire engine 
and prop rotated around it. That's what you call air-cooling! Absolutely 
fantastic when he fired it up once an hour or so!

> I live about 4 or 5 miles from a air force base here.  We have mostly
> training type planes that fly over us but on occasion, we have something
> really big here.  We have even had the space shuttle land there a few times. 
> The B2 bombers have been there as well.

Sounds like a good place to live! That's not Edwards, is it? I drove up to the 
gates once to see what they'd say. They were actually quite polite.

> I have heard some of the large planes when they start their engines and
> like I said, I'm several miles away and it is loud.  Video just can't
> give you that even with a good sub-woofer.

Even that wouldn't help much, I think. You'd need something that can handle an 
extremely rapid wave-front and high volumes. As you said - you had to be 
there.

> Thanks for the link.

My pleasure. I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man with the 
camera just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: "Hashtag HEADACHE"

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew, but the 
> Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet or so was among the 
> two or three most impressive of my life. Both planes have V12 Rolls-Royce 
> Merlin engines (I think). As each cylinder fired, the sound pressure went up 
> extremely fast at the start of the exhaust beat, suggesting huge exhaust 
> valves, and the deep-throated roar was ... just ... beyond description.
>
> The only engine to come close was an extraordinary 1/3 scale model of a nine-
> cylinder radial aero-engine I saw years ago at a national model engineering 
> exhibition. The crankshaft was anchored to the frame, and the entire engine 
> and prop rotated around it. That's what you call air-cooling! Absolutely 
> fantastic when he fired it up once an hour or so!

Yep.  Some of those prop engines are very powerful, maybe not so
efficient tho.  Anyway, they sure do make some noise even if the engine
is small.  I don't think they have mufflers or if they do, it isn't much
of one.  I also think they burn methanol or something too.  I'm not sure
and it may even vary from one engine to another.  I don't think they
burn plain old gas like cars. 


>> I live about 4 or 5 miles from a air force base here.  We have mostly
>> training type planes that fly over us but on occasion, we have something
>> really big here.  We have even had the space shuttle land there a few times. 
>> The B2 bombers have been there as well.
> Sounds like a good place to live! That's not Edwards, is it? I drove up to the 
> gates once to see what they'd say. They were actually quite polite.

I'm close to Columbus Air Force base in Mississippi.  It has a huge
runway.  It is one reason the space shuttle lands here.  It takes a long
runway to land and take off when carrying that thing.  I say space
shuttle, it's mounted on the back of a 747 I think.  What's more neat
tho is the big bombers.  My Dad several decades ago was doing a contract
job at the base.  For some reason they had the really big bombers out
there with armed military guards everywhere.   They wouldn't let anyone
even near those things. He could see them real good tho.  He said "it
looked like death, just plain death".  Later on my Dad found out it was
loaded up with bombs that they were moving somewhere else.   Death was
more accurate than he thought. 


>
>> I have heard some of the large planes when they start their engines and
>> like I said, I'm several miles away and it is loud.  Video just can't
>> give you that even with a good sub-woofer.
> Even that wouldn't help much, I think. You'd need something that can handle an 
> extremely rapid wave-front and high volumes. As you said - you had to be 
> there.

Yep, speakers can only do so much. 


>
>> Thanks for the link.
> My pleasure. I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man with the 
> camera just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: "Hashtag HEADACHE"
>


Oooops. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[wabenbau]

Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 11:38
schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew,
> > but the Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet
[...]

Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
machines then please to this at another place and not on this list.

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 29/06/2014 18:51, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 11:38
> schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> 
>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew,
>>> but the Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet
> [...]
> 
> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> machines then please to this at another place and not on this list.
> 
> 
> 
> 



Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his lovely
wife "button"




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> > computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> > machines then please to this at another place and not on this list.

> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his lovely
> wife "button"

Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null. It's
not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

PC DOS Error #03: Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[wabenbau]

Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> > > Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> > > computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> > > machines then please to this at another place and not on this
> > > list.
> 
> > Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his lovely
> > wife "button"
> 
> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null. It's
> not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.


That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's apparently
absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then you should do
this at another place. Especially discussions with politically and or
military background are IMHO absolutely inappropriate.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about everything
that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the subject line, so it
should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we should discuss the local
daily weather? I think, that's a pretty good idea as it would increase
the noise level of this list even more. What do you think? 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
>>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
>>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
>>>> list.
>>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his lovely
>>> wife "button"
>> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null. It's
>> not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
>
> That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's apparently
> absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then you should do
> this at another place. Especially discussions with politically and or
> military background are IMHO absolutely inappropriate.
>
> But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about everything
> that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the subject line, so it
> should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we should discuss the local
> daily weather? I think, that's a pretty good idea as it would increase
> the noise level of this list even more. What do you think? 
>
>
>


Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on this
very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just one
question and I know a lot of people on this list know about windoze as
well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list before.  It's not
often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads that don't interest me
at all and I just mark them as read and move right along but I don't
tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I could start with systemd. 
If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it read and move right along
usually without reading even the first post. Why, I don't use systemd so
I am certainly not interested in it.  There are other threads that I do
the same thing with. 

Just saying.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[wabenbau]

Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> > schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> >
> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> >>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> >>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
> >>>> list.
> >>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
> >>> lovely wife "button"
> >> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
> >> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
> >
> > That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> > apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> > you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> > politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> > inappropriate.
> >
> > But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> > everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> > subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> > should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> > good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> > more. What do you think? 
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
> this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just
> one question and I know a lot of people on this list know about
> windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list
> before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads
> that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read and move
> right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I
> could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it
> read and move right along usually without reading even the first
> post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am certainly not interested in
> it.  There are other threads that I do the same thing with. 

That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list. 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
> schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>
>> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
>>> schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
>>>>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
>>>>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
>>>>>> list.
>>>>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
>>>>> lovely wife "button"
>>>> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
>>>> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
>>> That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
>>> apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
>>> you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
>>> politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
>>> inappropriate.
>>>
>>> But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
>>> everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
>>> subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
>>> should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
>>> good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
>>> more. What do you think? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
>> this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just
>> one question and I know a lot of people on this list know about
>> windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list
>> before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads
>> that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read and move
>> right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I
>> could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it
>> read and move right along usually without reading even the first
>> post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am certainly not interested in
>> it.  There are other threads that I do the same thing with. 
> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list. 
>
>
>
>

But windoze is not Gentoo.  If I knew that several people would help me
with a car issue because at some point several mentioned they have or
had that car, I'd ask a car question if it was basically a once or twice
thing or at least rare. 

This isn't the first time a topic has started or ended up being not
related to Gentoo or even computers. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[wabenbau]

Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 19:12
schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
> > schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> >>> schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo
> >>>>>> or computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness
> >>>>>> of war machines then please to this at another place and not
> >>>>>> on this list.
> >>>>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
> >>>>> lovely wife "button"
> >>>> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
> >>>> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
> >>> That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> >>> apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> >>> you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> >>> politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> >>> inappropriate.
> >>>
> >>> But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> >>> everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> >>> subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> >>> should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> >>> good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> >>> more. What do you think? 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
> >> this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for
> >> just one question and I know a lot of people on this list know
> >> about windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this
> >> list before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo
> >> threads that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read
> >> and move right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to
> >> see them.  I could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the
> >> subject, I mark it read and move right along usually without
> >> reading even the first post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am
> >> certainly not interested in it.  There are other threads that I do
> >> the same thing with. 
> > That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> > topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> But windoze is not Gentoo.  If I knew that several people would help
> me with a car issue because at some point several mentioned they have
> or had that car, I'd ask a car question if it was basically a once or
> twice thing or at least rare. 
>
> This isn't the first time a topic has started or ended up being not
> related to Gentoo or even computers. 

You are really tenacious. :-) It seems that I should lower my
expectations regarding what's on-topic and what's not. Lets say, every
topic is fine as long as the poster asks a question about a technical
problem he has and as long as the topic has nothing to do with weapons.
Is that definition ok for you?

But I'm merely a regular member of this ML and this is just my personal
opinion, so never mind me. Talk about what you want, e.g. (historical)
Tanks, (historical) Submarines, (historical) H-Bombs...

Sorry for this tinge of sarcasm. ;-)

Maybe we should finish the discussion here because it is getting
off-topic more and more. :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/06/2014 03:16, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>> This isn't the first time a topic has started or ended up being not
>> > related to Gentoo or even computers. 
> You are really tenacious. :-) It seems that I should lower my
> expectations regarding what's on-topic and what's not. Lets say, every
> topic is fine as long as the poster asks a question about a technical
> problem he has and as long as the topic has nothing to do with weapons.
> Is that definition ok for you?


It's a case of regular posters who have been here for 5+ years, and in
some cases more than 10 years. These folks have become friends with each
other and sometimes what is being discussed derails somewhat.

That's what humans do - they chat about whatever they feel like chatting
about. It is going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it.
Just let it go. It happens once every month or so on average.

It's interesting to note that the sub-thread of how off-topic WWII
aircraft are is getting larger than the thread it is complaining about.





-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/06/2014 03:16, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>>> This isn't the first time a topic has started or ended up being not
>>>> related to Gentoo or even computers. 
>> You are really tenacious. :-) It seems that I should lower my
>> expectations regarding what's on-topic and what's not. Lets say, every
>> topic is fine as long as the poster asks a question about a technical
>> problem he has and as long as the topic has nothing to do with weapons.
>> Is that definition ok for you?
>
> It's a case of regular posters who have been here for 5+ years, and in
> some cases more than 10 years. These folks have become friends with each
> other and sometimes what is being discussed derails somewhat.
>
> That's what humans do - they chat about whatever they feel like chatting
> about. It is going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it.
> Just let it go. It happens once every month or so on average.
>
> It's interesting to note that the sub-thread of how off-topic WWII
> aircraft are is getting larger than the thread it is complaining about.
>
>

+1

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Mick]

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On Monday 30 Jun 2014 08:17:44 Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 30/06/2014 03:16, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> This isn't the first time a topic has started or ended up being not
> >>> 
> >>>> related to Gentoo or even computers.
> >> 
> >> You are really tenacious. :-) It seems that I should lower my
> >> expectations regarding what's on-topic and what's not. Lets say, every
> >> topic is fine as long as the poster asks a question about a technical
> >> problem he has and as long as the topic has nothing to do with weapons.
> >> Is that definition ok for you?
> > 
> > It's a case of regular posters who have been here for 5+ years, and in
> > some cases more than 10 years. These folks have become friends with each
> > other and sometimes what is being discussed derails somewhat.
> > 
> > That's what humans do - they chat about whatever they feel like chatting
> > about. It is going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it.
> > Just let it go. It happens once every month or so on average.
> > 
> > It's interesting to note that the sub-thread of how off-topic WWII
> > aircraft are is getting larger than the thread it is complaining about.
> 
> +1
> 
> Dale

I recall a thread some years ago now, that offered sound advice on tuning 
motorcycle carburettors for operating smoothly at altitude ... O_O

The funny part was that this was interspersed within an on-topic thread.  :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
> 
> schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> > wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> > > 
> > > schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > >>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> > >>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> > >>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
> > >>>> list.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
> > >>> lovely wife "button"
> > >> 
> > >> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
> > >> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
> > > 
> > > That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> > > apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> > > you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> > > politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> > > inappropriate.
> > > 
> > > But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> > > everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> > > subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> > > should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> > > good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> > > more. What do you think?
> > 
> > Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
> > this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just
> > one question and I know a lot of people on this list know about
> > windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list
> > before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads
> > that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read and move
> > right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I
> > could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it
> > read and move right along usually without reading even the first
> > post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am certainly not interested in
> > it.  There are other threads that I do the same thing with.
> 
> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.

We can turn this into a computer related thread.

Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on Linux?

I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and occasionally 
have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100% legit) of MS 
Windows.

Ideas welcome.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[microcai]

在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
> On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
> > 
> > schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> > > wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> > > > 
> > > > schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> > > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > >>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> > > >>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> > > >>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
> > > >>>> list.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
> > > >>> lovely wife "button"
> > > >> 
> > > >> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
> > > >> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
> > > > 
> > > > That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> > > > apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> > > > you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> > > > politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> > > > inappropriate.
> > > > 
> > > > But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> > > > everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> > > > subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> > > > should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> > > > good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> > > > more. What do you think?
> > > 
> > > Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
> > > this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just
> > > one question and I know a lot of people on this list know about
> > > windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list
> > > before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads
> > > that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read and move
> > > right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I
> > > could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it
> > > read and move right along usually without reading even the first
> > > post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am certainly not interested in
> > > it.  There are other threads that I do the same thing with.
> > 
> > That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> > topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
> 
> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
> 
> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on Linux?
> 
> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
> legit) of MS Windows.

X-plane ?


> 
> Ideas welcome.
> 
> --
> Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 15:40:02 microcai wrote:
> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
> 
> > On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 16:26
> > > 
> > > schrieb Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> > > > wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 20:38
> > > > > 
> > > > > schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> > > > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > >>>> Please folks, stop that crap. It has nothing to do with gentoo or
> > > > >>>> computers at all. If you wanna discuss the delightfulness of war
> > > > >>>> machines then please to this at another place and not on this
> > > > >>>> list.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Allow me to introduce your to my good friend "Delete" and his
> > > > >>> lovely wife "button"
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Or you could filter anything with OT in the subject to /dev/null.
> > > > >> It's not like this thread is masquerading as something relevant.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> > > > > apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> > > > > you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> > > > > politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> > > > > inappropriate.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> > > > > everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> > > > > subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> > > > > should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> > > > > good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> > > > > more. What do you think?
> > > > 
> > > > Just a FYI.  I have in the past asked questions about Windoze XP on
> > > > this very list.  Why, I'm not joining a windoze mailing list for just
> > > > one question and I know a lot of people on this list know about
> > > > windoze as well.  I have seen other topics raised on this list
> > > > before.  It's not often but it does happen.  I see Gentoo threads
> > > > that don't interest me at all and I just mark them as read and move
> > > > right along but I don't tell folks that I don't want to see them.  I
> > > > could start with systemd. If I see systemd in the subject, I mark it
> > > > read and move right along usually without reading even the first
> > > > post. Why, I don't use systemd so I am certainly not interested in
> > > > it.  There are other threads that I do the same thing with.
> > > 
> > > That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> > > topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
> > 
> > We can turn this into a computer related thread.
> > 
> > Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
> > Linux?
> > 
> > I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
> > occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
> > legit) of MS Windows.
> 
> X-plane ?

Not what I'm looking for.
That simulates 1:1 scale planes (full size).

I am talking about one I can use to practice flying without risking my real 
planes on the first attempt. I need one where I can use my own transmitter 
connected to the computer. There are cables to hook them up to the USB-port.

But the problem is finding a decent one that actually runs on Linux. All the 
commercial ones I can find are MS Windows only.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Dale]

Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2014 15:40:02 microcai wrote:
>> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
>>> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
>>> Linux?
>>>
>>> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
>>> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
>>> legit) of MS Windows.
>> X-plane ?
> Not what I'm looking for.
> That simulates 1:1 scale planes (full size).
>
> I am talking about one I can use to practice flying without risking my real 
> planes on the first attempt. I need one where I can use my own transmitter 
> connected to the computer. There are cables to hook them up to the USB-port.
>
> But the problem is finding a decent one that actually runs on Linux. All the 
> commercial ones I can find are MS Windows only.
>
> --
> Joost
>
>

Don't forget, there was a guitar that ran Gentoo Linux too.  Heck, did
plane engines have puters even back then?  I know they do now, at least
according to all the stuff I see on TV.  I don't think puter stuff
started until like in the 80's or something tho. 

M$ Windoze.  Yuck!  I wouldn't put that stuff on my rig. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

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On Monday 30 June 2014 03:56:44 Dale wrote:
> Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Monday 30 June 2014 15:40:02 microcai wrote:
> >> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
> >> 
> >>> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
> >>> Linux?
> >>> 
> >>> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
> >>> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is
> >>> 100%
> >>> legit) of MS Windows.
> >> 
> >> X-plane ?
> > 
> > Not what I'm looking for.
> > That simulates 1:1 scale planes (full size).
> > 
> > I am talking about one I can use to practice flying without risking my
> > real
> > planes on the first attempt. I need one where I can use my own transmitter
> > connected to the computer. There are cables to hook them up to the
> > USB-port.
> > 
> > But the problem is finding a decent one that actually runs on Linux. All
> > the commercial ones I can find are MS Windows only.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> Don't forget, there was a guitar that ran Gentoo Linux too.

I remember that one, still wondering about the point though, but that's just me :)

>  Heck, did
> plane engines have puters even back then?  I know they do now, at least
> according to all the stuff I see on TV.  I don't think puter stuff
> started until like in the 80's or something tho.

They had computers during WWII, they used them to break the german encryption.

They appeared in planes not too long after:

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire
***
The first non-experimental aircraft that was designed and flown (in 1958) with a fly-by-
wire flight control system was the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow[1],^{[5][2][6][3]} a feat 
not repeated with a production aircraft until Concorde[4] in 1969. This system also 
included solid-state components and system redundancy, was designed to be 
integrated with a computerised navigation and automatic search and track radar, was 
flyable from ground control with data uplink and downlink, and provided artificial feel 
(feedback) to the pilot.
***

Also: https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/america-by-air/online/jetage/jetage17.cfm

***
The first autopilots were used on airliners in the mid-1930s. In the late 1950s, 
electronic computers became small enough to be used aboard aircraft. Sophisticated 
digital computers can now fly aircraft in virtually any situation, while ensuring that all 
systems are functioning properly.
***

> M$ Windoze.  Yuck!  I wouldn't put that stuff on my rig.

I do, for a few programs that aren't available on Linux (yet).
The flightsim for RC model planes is one of them.

--
Joost

--------
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#cite_note-5
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#cite_note-Whitcomb-6
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
>> On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:


[snip]


>>> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
>>> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
>>
>> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
>>
>> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on Linux?
>>
>> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
>> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
>> legit) of MS Windows.
> 
> X-plane ?


wine?




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 11:51:08 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
> > 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
> > 
> >> On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> >>> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> >>> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
> >> 
> >> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
> >> 
> >> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
> >> Linux?
> >> 
> >> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
> >> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
> >> legit) of MS Windows.
> > 
> > X-plane ?
> 
> wine?

I try that once every few months, not been one that works yet.
Problem is the copy-protection with the one I use. The CD needs to be in the 
drive for it to work.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/06/2014 12:01, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2014 11:51:08 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
>>> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
>>>
>>>> On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>>>> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
>>>>> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
>>>>
>>>> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
>>>> Linux?
>>>>
>>>> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
>>>> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is 100%
>>>> legit) of MS Windows.
>>>
>>> X-plane ?
>>
>> wine?
> 
> I try that once every few months, not been one that works yet.
> Problem is the copy-protection with the one I use. The CD needs to be in the 
> drive for it to work.


Can you fudge it using a ripped .iso of the CD and loop mounting it
somewhere?




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 12:09:16 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/06/2014 12:01, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Monday 30 June 2014 11:51:08 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
> >>> 在 2014年6月30日 星期一 09:17:02，Joost Roeleveld 写道：
> >>> 
> >>>> On Monday 30 June 2014 01:26:48 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >> 
> >>>>> That's right. But all examples you've mentioned are computer related
> >>>>> topics and maybe useful for anyone on this list.
> >>>> 
> >>>> We can turn this into a computer related thread.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Anyone know of a way to get a flight-sim (for model planes) to run on
> >>>> Linux?
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have a legit copy of Realflight ( http://www.realflight.com ) and
> >>>> occasionally have to boot into a legit copy (yes, all my software is
> >>>> 100%
> >>>> legit) of MS Windows.
> >>> 
> >>> X-plane ?
> >> 
> >> wine?
> > 
> > I try that once every few months, not been one that works yet.
> > Problem is the copy-protection with the one I use. The CD needs to be in
> > the drive for it to work.
> 
> Can you fudge it using a ripped .iso of the CD and loop mounting it
> somewhere?

Would work in Linux, I guess. But even with the disk in the drive, it didn't 
work last time I tried it.
It is time for a new try though. But my preference would be something native.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
>
> X-plane ?
>
> wine?
>
>
>
>

Sorry, I don't drink.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 05:23:31 Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
> > 
> > X-plane ?
> > 
> > wine?
> 
> Sorry, I don't drink.  ROFL

What about the alcohol free version?
Also known as grape juice...

Re: [gentoo-user] [Less OT] Tally ho! - RC Flight Sims on Linux

[Dale]

Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2014 05:23:31 Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2014 09:40, microcai wrote:
>>>
>>> X-plane ?
>>>
>>> wine?
>> Sorry, I don't drink.  ROFL
> What about the alcohol free version?
> Also known as grape juice...
>
>

On occasion.  Some times apple juice, tomato juice.  lol 

This thread is sort of funny.  We need a good laugh every now and then.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:46:50 +0200, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:

> That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's apparently
> absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then you should do
> this at another place. Especially discussions with politically and or
> military background are IMHO absolutely inappropriate.

I don't consider this either political or military. The Spitfire and
Hurricane are classic aircraft and respected from a technological point of
view (speaking militarily, the Me109 was probably a more capable
fighting machine).

> But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about everything
> that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the subject line, so it
> should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we should discuss the local
> daily weather? I think, that's a pretty good idea as it would increase
> the noise level of this list even more. What do you think? 

I think you should calm down. If people who post a lot of useful
information to this list want to engage in clearly highlighted light
relief, let them. I found the thread interesting to read but did not
contribute, partly because it was OT, so your heavy handed intervention
has only served to worsen the situation (now we are getting in to
military and political areas).


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A closed mouth gathers no foot.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[wabenbau]

Am Sonntag, 29.06.2014 um 22:59
schrieb Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:46:50 +0200, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > That's not the point. If you wanna talk about stuff that's
> > apparently absolut useless to almost every member of this ML, then
> > you should do this at another place. Especially discussions with
> > politically and or military background are IMHO absolutely
> > inappropriate.
> 
> I don't consider this either political or military. The Spitfire and
> Hurricane are classic aircraft and respected from a technological
> point of view (speaking militarily, the Me109 was probably a more
> capable fighting machine).

I don't wanna answer to this because it would possibly lead to a really
politically discussion. ;-) 

> > But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Why shouldn't we talk here about
> > everything that cross one's mind? We could mark it as OT in the
> > subject line, so it should be no problem for everyone. Maybe we
> > should discuss the local daily weather? I think, that's a pretty
> > good idea as it would increase the noise level of this list even
> > more. What do you think? 
> 
> I think you should calm down. If people who post a lot of useful
> information to this list want to engage in clearly highlighted light
> relief, let them. I found the thread interesting to read but did not
> contribute, partly because it was OT, so your heavy handed
> intervention has only served to worsen the situation (now we are
> getting in to military and political areas).

Words full of wisdom. I need a moment to clear my mind...

...I decided that I will not receive this mailing list on my smartphone
any longer. Reading it on my Desktop-PC is sufficient. This will help me
to calm down. ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/06/2014 01:40, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> ...I decided that I will not receive this mailing list on my smartphone
> any longer. Reading it on my Desktop-PC is sufficient. This will help me
> to calm down. ;-)


Good idea. This is a high-volume list with an extraordinarily high
signal-to-noise ratio. Reading it on a phone will drive you nuts, and
you can't easily give answers that do the question justice.




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[J. Roeleveld]

On 29 June 2014 18:38:11 CEST, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew,
>but the 
>> Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet or so was
>among the 
>> two or three most impressive of my life. Both planes have V12
>Rolls-Royce 
>> Merlin engines (I think). As each cylinder fired, the sound pressure
>went up 
>> extremely fast at the start of the exhaust beat, suggesting huge
>exhaust 
>> valves, and the deep-throated roar was ... just ... beyond
>description.
>>
>> The only engine to come close was an extraordinary 1/3 scale model of
>a nine-
>> cylinder radial aero-engine I saw years ago at a national model
>engineering 
>> exhibition. The crankshaft was anchored to the frame, and the entire
>engine 
>> and prop rotated around it. That's what you call air-cooling!
>Absolutely 
>> fantastic when he fired it up once an hour or so!
>
>Yep.  Some of those prop engines are very powerful, maybe not so
>efficient tho.  Anyway, they sure do make some noise even if the engine
>is small.  I don't think they have mufflers or if they do, it isn't
>much
>of one.  I also think they burn methanol or something too.  I'm not
>sure
>and it may even vary from one engine to another.  I don't think they
>burn plain old gas like cars. 

If you are talking about model engines. The bigger ones run normal petrol, just like cars, lawn mowers, chain saws,.....

>>> I live about 4 or 5 miles from a air force base here.  We have
>mostly
>>> training type planes that fly over us but on occasion, we have
>something
>>> really big here.  We have even had the space shuttle land there a
>few times. 
>>> The B2 bombers have been there as well.
>> Sounds like a good place to live! That's not Edwards, is it? I drove
>up to the 
>> gates once to see what they'd say. They were actually quite polite.
>
>I'm close to Columbus Air Force base in Mississippi.  It has a huge
>runway.  It is one reason the space shuttle lands here.  It takes a
>long
>runway to land and take off when carrying that thing.  I say space
>shuttle, it's mounted on the back of a 747 I think.  What's more neat
>tho is the big bombers.  My Dad several decades ago was doing a
>contract
>job at the base.  For some reason they had the really big bombers out
>there with armed military guards everywhere.   They wouldn't let anyone
>even near those things. He could see them real good tho.  He said "it
>looked like death, just plain death".  Later on my Dad found out it was
>loaded up with bombs that they were moving somewhere else.   Death was
>more accurate than he thought. 
>
>
>>
>>> I have heard some of the large planes when they start their engines
>and
>>> like I said, I'm several miles away and it is loud.  Video just
>can't
>>> give you that even with a good sub-woofer.
>> Even that wouldn't help much, I think. You'd need something that can
>handle an 
>> extremely rapid wave-front and high volumes. As you said - you had to
>be 
>> there.
>
>Yep, speakers can only do so much. 
>
>
>>
>>> Thanks for the link.
>> My pleasure. I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man
>with the 
>> camera just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: "Hashtag
>HEADACHE"
>>
>
>
>Oooops. 
>
>Dale
>
>:-)  :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 29/06/2014 18:38, Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> Of course! I missed the Spitfire, so I don't know how high it flew, but the 
>> Hurricane sound from no more than a couple of hundred feet or so was among the 
>> two or three most impressive of my life. Both planes have V12 Rolls-Royce 
>> Merlin engines (I think). As each cylinder fired, the sound pressure went up 
>> extremely fast at the start of the exhaust beat, suggesting huge exhaust 
>> valves, and the deep-throated roar was ... just ... beyond description.
>>
>> The only engine to come close was an extraordinary 1/3 scale model of a nine-
>> cylinder radial aero-engine I saw years ago at a national model engineering 
>> exhibition. The crankshaft was anchored to the frame, and the entire engine 
>> and prop rotated around it. That's what you call air-cooling! Absolutely 
>> fantastic when he fired it up once an hour or so!
> 
> Yep.  Some of those prop engines are very powerful, maybe not so
> efficient tho.  Anyway, they sure do make some noise even if the engine
> is small.  I don't think they have mufflers or if they do, it isn't much
> of one.  I also think they burn methanol or something too.  I'm not sure
> and it may even vary from one engine to another.  I don't think they
> burn plain old gas like cars. 


The Harvard trainers we were using when I was in the military all used
140-odd octane gasoline, I beleive that's normal for aircraft piston
engines. It's still gas, but not what you put in the car. You should see
what that stuff does for a little old 1600 Mazda - goes like the
clappers but the motor doesn't last very long :-)

Those Harvards[1] are famous around here, anyone in the SAAF until 15
years ago knows the sound well, it's very distinctive. Nowhere near as
loud as the V12 Merlin



[1]
http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/38/harvard-1-iia-iii-na-88





> 
> 
>>> I live about 4 or 5 miles from a air force base here.  We have mostly
>>> training type planes that fly over us but on occasion, we have something
>>> really big here.  We have even had the space shuttle land there a few times. 
>>> The B2 bombers have been there as well.
>> Sounds like a good place to live! That's not Edwards, is it? I drove up to the 
>> gates once to see what they'd say. They were actually quite polite.
> 
> I'm close to Columbus Air Force base in Mississippi.  It has a huge
> runway.  It is one reason the space shuttle lands here.  It takes a long
> runway to land and take off when carrying that thing.  I say space
> shuttle, it's mounted on the back of a 747 I think.  What's more neat
> tho is the big bombers.  My Dad several decades ago was doing a contract
> job at the base.  For some reason they had the really big bombers out
> there with armed military guards everywhere.   They wouldn't let anyone
> even near those things. He could see them real good tho.  He said "it
> looked like death, just plain death".  Later on my Dad found out it was
> loaded up with bombs that they were moving somewhere else.   Death was
> more accurate than he thought.

I also spent time at Hoedspruit, and every time the Shuttle was coming
home the base would be on standby alert. there's two runways in the
southern hemisphere that could land a shuttle - Hoedspruit (7 miles) and
one in Australia somewhere. It was never needed so we never did get to
see a Shuttle live. Pity, but maybe it's for the best, I don't recall
ever seeing a 70 ton mobile crane hanging around to get it up onto a 747
for the flight home :-)



We *do* get to see the USAF's enormous transport planes every two when
the SAAF puts on it's bi-annual air-show. USAF is kind enough to always
bring their big 'uns. But never the good stuff, so we don't get to see
the B2  :-(







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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Neil Bothwick]

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> The Harvard trainers we were using when I was in the military all used
> 140-odd octane gasoline, I beleive that's normal for aircraft piston
> engines. It's still gas, but not what you put in the car. You should see
> what that stuff does for a little old 1600 Mazda - goes like the
> clappers but the motor doesn't last very long :-)

We used to run that stuff in racing 2-strokes in the 80s. You had to be
careful not to spill it on tarmac, it ate straight through.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 June 2014 11:38:11 Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man with the camera
> > just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: "Hashtag HEADACHE"

> Oooops.

Here's the Hurricane: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=880028802011336

From the unsteadiness of the camera, I think Phil must have started the 
headache inducement before shooting this  :-(

Taken from the top of the church tower at 2:15 on Saturday. You can hear some 
of the bells chiming the quarter-hour at the beginning.

I'll stop now.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Monday 30 June 2014 10:22:42 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 29 June 2014 11:38:11 Dale wrote:
> > Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > I don't know when we'll get the Hurricane one - the man with the camera
> > > just put a two-word entry on Twitter this morning: "Hashtag HEADACHE"
> > 
> > Oooops.
> 
> Here's the Hurricane: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=880028802011336
> 
> From the unsteadiness of the camera, I think Phil must have started the
> headache inducement before shooting this  :-(

The unsteadiness comes from trying to keep up with a fast moving object 
without stabilizers. Have you seen the type of contraptions used for movies?

> Taken from the top of the church tower at 2:15 on Saturday. You can hear
> some of the bells chiming the quarter-hour at the beginning.
> 
> I'll stop now.

Don't stop on my account ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 30 June 2014 11:37:02 Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2014 10:22:42 Peter Humphrey wrote:

--->8

> > I'll stop now.
> 
> Don't stop on my account ;)

OK, so shall we start discussing the difference between a clock and a 
timepiece?

Maybe better not...

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 28.06.2014 16:54, schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane from 
> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a Spitfire.
>
> Yoo-hoo!
>
> I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts from 
> the 40s
>
> Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.
>

it is ok, I just watched some allied bombers being shot down.

Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/06/2014 16:54, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane from 
> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a Spitfire.

You have an actual flying Spitfire nearby? Wow! I thought Evelyn was the
last airworthy model left anywhere.



For those who don't know, Evelyn was a Mk IXe and spent years in a kid's
playground in Pretoria (the city I grew up in) before someone started
restoring her in the late 60s. She was rebuilt at Zwartkop Air Force
Base (where I spent time as an apprentice) and stored at Lanseria
Airport (where I've spent many a happy hour drinking fine wares at the
restaurant above the apron).

Last I heard, she was sold and ended up in Brazil...



> 
> Yoo-hoo!
> 
> I think I can just about remember the sound of those magnificent beasts from 
> the 40s
> 
> Apologies to those of a more serious disposition.
> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:33:05 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/06/2014 16:54, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
> > from
> > the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
> > Spitfire.
> You have an actual flying Spitfire nearby? Wow! I thought Evelyn was the
> last airworthy model left anywhere.
> 

> For those who don't know, Evelyn was a Mk IXe and spent years in a kid's
> playground in Pretoria (the city I grew up in) before someone started
> restoring her in the late 60s. She was rebuilt at Zwartkop Air Force
> Base (where I spent time as an apprentice) and stored at Lanseria
> Airport (where I've spent many a happy hour drinking fine wares at the
> restaurant above the apron).
> 
> Last I heard, she was sold and ended up in Brazil...

Considering there are companies selling flights in them:

http://flywithaspitfire.com/
http://tigerairways.co.uk/spitfire-flights.html
(from this one:
To the best of our information there are about 50 Spitfires currently flying 
Worldwide.  Of these only five are two-seaters (converted Mark 9’s), three in 
the UK and two in the USA)

Never mind that there are quite a few scale models flying around :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/06/2014 22:44, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:33:05 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 28/06/2014 16:54, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
>>> from
>>> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
>>> Spitfire.
>> You have an actual flying Spitfire nearby? Wow! I thought Evelyn was the
>> last airworthy model left anywhere.
>>
> 
>> For those who don't know, Evelyn was a Mk IXe and spent years in a kid's
>> playground in Pretoria (the city I grew up in) before someone started
>> restoring her in the late 60s. She was rebuilt at Zwartkop Air Force
>> Base (where I spent time as an apprentice) and stored at Lanseria
>> Airport (where I've spent many a happy hour drinking fine wares at the
>> restaurant above the apron).
>>
>> Last I heard, she was sold and ended up in Brazil...
> 
> Considering there are companies selling flights in them:
> 
> http://flywithaspitfire.com/
> http://tigerairways.co.uk/spitfire-flights.html
> (from this one:
> To the best of our information there are about 50 Spitfires currently flying 
> Worldwide.  Of these only five are two-seaters (converted Mark 9’s), three in 
> the UK and two in the USA)
> 
> Never mind that there are quite a few scale models flying around :)


I reckon I was told "only airworthy Spitfire in the world" when it was
actually "onl airworthy Spitfire in Africa"

I suppose that's what happens when you don't fact-check. That'll teach
me :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[J. Roeleveld]

On Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:18:06 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/06/2014 22:44, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:33:05 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> On 28/06/2014 16:54, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>> It's Wakes Week here and we've just had a triple fly-by by a Hurricane
> >>> from
> >>> the Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight. Last Saturday it was a
> >>> Spitfire.
> >> 
> >> You have an actual flying Spitfire nearby? Wow! I thought Evelyn was the
> >> last airworthy model left anywhere.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> For those who don't know, Evelyn was a Mk IXe and spent years in a kid's
> >> playground in Pretoria (the city I grew up in) before someone started
> >> restoring her in the late 60s. She was rebuilt at Zwartkop Air Force
> >> Base (where I spent time as an apprentice) and stored at Lanseria
> >> Airport (where I've spent many a happy hour drinking fine wares at the
> >> restaurant above the apron).
> >> 
> >> Last I heard, she was sold and ended up in Brazil...
> > 
> > Considering there are companies selling flights in them:
> > 
> > http://flywithaspitfire.com/
> > http://tigerairways.co.uk/spitfire-flights.html
> > (from this one:
> > To the best of our information there are about 50 Spitfires currently
> > flying Worldwide.  Of these only five are two-seaters (converted Mark
> > 9’s), three in the UK and two in the USA)
> > 
> > Never mind that there are quite a few scale models flying around :)
> 
> I reckon I was told "only airworthy Spitfire in the world" when it was
> actually "onl airworthy Spitfire in Africa"

Typical :)

> I suppose that's what happens when you don't fact-check. That'll teach
> me :-)

Yep, that should teach you :P

Btw, I do not have all the info, but it could be that they meant last one of 
that particular model.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] Tally ho!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 29 June 2014 00:18:06 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> I suppose that's what happens when you don't fact-check. That'll teach
> me :-)

You reckon?  :-)

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