From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFF31392EF for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D568E0AE2; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF420E0AB8 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:39:48 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFAHRrq1M6B52P/2dsb2JhbABYgw3BdoMVAYEIFnWEAwEBBAF4EQsNCwkWDwkDAgECAUUTCAEBiDYHxAAXjhEJDwIBVxaELQWKQpAPhn4pjESDTzCBOg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,548,1399996800"; d="scan'208";a="48702284" Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vm.localdomain) ([58.7.157.143]) by icp-osb-irony-out6.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2014 08:39:42 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E95B7FE7 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:39:36 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localdomain Received: from mail.vm.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.vm.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y2pNGT4smECv for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:39:00 +0800 (WST) Received: from [192.168.44.7] (rattus.lan.localdomain [192.168.44.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 881C75B7FE2 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:38:56 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <53AB6B9D.5080701@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:38:53 +0800 From: Bill Kenworthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% References: <53AA050F.4070907@gmail.com> <53AAF0CB.4060902@gmail.com> <20140625170952.3f3250c8@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <201406251745.06064.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20140625182940.5e6e4adf@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <53AB4A31.3030104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53AB4A31.3030104@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 233f11fd-c981-4324-ac21-f8cb19f87ac8 X-Archives-Hash: be72aeba19cc6529becbc82614bd0090 On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: >> >>>> Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron >>>> and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. >>> ... and when you find out please tell us: >>> > > What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so > that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then > again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. > Repeat after me ... RAID IS NOT A BACKUP There are many ways to do a backup - various raid forms, mirrors etc can help in some (and only some) instances but only a spatially separated copy of the data is relatively safe. Have two computers? - cross backup between them. (keep an old machine as a file server in the back room, start it up a couple of times a week and run a backup script - can even be automated) Have a friend/relative nearby? - take your PC over, create a backup and then sync the differences across the net using rsync etc - most normal people do fill up todays large disks, or have large "personal valuable data" requirements. You dont need to backup the whole machine, just the valuable bits (configs, personal data, email archives, ...) There are many ways to do it - if you only have one disk and no backups, the data by definition is not valuable :) Ive just been caught by an old 1G WD green drive failing (possibly the MB's fault as the sata interface died as well - seen a few of those now!) that took out the middle drive from a striped LVM. Didnt bother to recover, just built a new machine from leftover bits, bought another drive and rebuilt it using btrfs raid 1 on the two orignal WD 2G green drives and a new WD red, and restored from backups on another machine - over the years this type of event has happened a few times - you only need to get burnt once to learn!. BillK