From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87321392EF for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64396E0851; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38B69E07F5 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so2408872wgg.13 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aVgrKxeSZNEbZlR2mjjcTN8X5Z5KdDyn63+B4i7H3h4=; b=qNl73Nf1I34pTbdLoDht6zhJM1Qn/wmtC0fi0irUKklj952+RCK7BAm/o/CasU2N8N BHVj05FglbndBAl3midNTwIvyPP7OE+0eiLF6mPyZLI9kxwH9rG44HdyVg54FK1VvhpO P7BNLwqQxwpNoMEn3FSE3ykNGx2z2pzUv5c2/DyrtARPhqkBw2lBUQa+qKsXMGn+qgdY fIQ8+MPPzX6ed6hml+ePcRB/7sHsHVMAA75vn+AX0TK5GOUfV0GO+IAUqpkJgu3MKCpa 1mI1CmQG0L+ppXL0lzg98O+TKIcGoqjt3304PKREqcL1su6NR6NLiBVGdX+XF7Z34ww+ ayIg== X-Received: by 10.180.96.6 with SMTP id do6mr12264040wib.44.1403719185030; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-210-127-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.127.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id na4sm56148883wic.21.2014.06.25.10.59.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53AB0DDE.7020603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:58:54 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% References: <53AA050F.4070907@gmail.com> <49620f42-d9c3-43b1-9f01-1250e52eb950@email.android.com> <53AA587F.8090300@gmail.com> <20140625104639.71528ad6@digimed.co.uk> <53AA9ED7.2060700@gmail.com> <53AAAA8C.8050301@thegeezer.net> <19121.1403710246@ccs.covici.com> In-Reply-To: <19121.1403710246@ccs.covici.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 22de8645-35d5-444e-a58d-8caefecd77a5 X-Archives-Hash: 88a4c0bd5c25512a0a9858c2a5ea5231 On 25/06/2014 17:30, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer wrote: >>> On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: >>> >>> >>> I got a drive picked out at Newegg. $$$$$$$$ >>> >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 >>> >>> >>> slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty >>> >>> has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? >> >> Yes. Most manufacturers have a hard drive warranty tool online. Just >> give it your serial number and it will tell you if you're eligible, >> and how to go about it. I know Seagate wants you to run their own >> testing util (which just does a SMART test and spits out a validation >> code which you write down). >> >> I've gotten the same sorts of errors several times now on my RAID and >> when it happens I just go through the warranty process, select advance >> replacement, swap out the drive, then return the old drive in their >> packaging. >> >> Typically costs me $10 for HD replacement (I have to pay return shipping only). >> >> Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - >> alarmingly often, actually. Anybody who doesn't run smartmon or its >> equivalent is insane, as is anybody who doesn't at least run RAID, >> though anything valuable should be backed up. > > Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of > timing errors? > > That sounds like something EMC and WD/Seagate would say. There's no reason in the world not to use consumer drives for RAID - unless you plan to add the drives to those obscenely expensive full-rack SAN jobs vendors want folk to buy. The reason consumer drives tend not to work in those arrays has nothing to do with the performance of the drive itself. The manufacturers flip a bit in the firmware and without that signature the array hardware often will not use the drive. It often really is as simple as that. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com