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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:58:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53AB0DDE.7020603@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19121.1403710246@ccs.covici.com>

On 25/06/2014 17:30, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer <thegeezer@thegeezer.net> wrote:
>>> On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.  $$$$$$$$
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
>>>
>>>
>>> slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty
>>>
>>> has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ?
>>
>> Yes.  Most manufacturers have a hard drive warranty tool online.  Just
>> give it your serial number and it will tell you if you're eligible,
>> and how to go about it.  I know Seagate wants you to run their own
>> testing util (which just does a SMART test and spits out a validation
>> code which you write down).
>>
>> I've gotten the same sorts of errors several times now on my RAID and
>> when it happens I just go through the warranty process, select advance
>> replacement, swap out the drive, then return the old drive in their
>> packaging.
>>
>> Typically costs me $10 for HD replacement (I have to pay return shipping only).
>>
>> Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them -
>> alarmingly often, actually.  Anybody who doesn't run smartmon or its
>> equivalent is insane, as is anybody who doesn't at least run RAID,
>> though anything valuable should be backed up.
> 
> Is it not  true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of
> timing errors?
> 
> 


That sounds like something EMC and WD/Seagate would say.

There's no reason in the world not to use consumer drives for RAID -
unless you plan to add the drives to those obscenely expensive full-rack
SAN jobs vendors want folk to buy.

The reason consumer drives tend not to work in those arrays has nothing
to do with the performance of the drive itself. The manufacturers flip a
bit in the firmware and without that signature the array hardware often
will not use the drive. It often really is as simple as that.





-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-25 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-24 23:09 [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% Dale
2014-06-25  4:20 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-06-25  5:05   ` Dale
2014-06-25  7:26     ` J. Roeleveld
2014-06-25  7:43       ` Dale
2014-06-25  7:41     ` thegeezer
2014-06-25  7:49       ` Dale
2014-06-25 10:42         ` thegeezer
2014-06-25 13:15           ` Dale
2014-06-25 14:03             ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 15:54               ` Dale
2014-06-25 16:09                 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-25 16:44                   ` Mick
2014-06-25 17:29                     ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-25 22:16                       ` Dale
2014-06-25 22:32                         ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-26  2:07                           ` Dale
2014-06-26  2:15                             ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-26  4:57                               ` Dale
2014-06-29 15:17                                 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2014-07-01  8:30                                   ` Dale
2014-07-01  8:46                                     ` Helmut Jarausch
2014-07-01  8:58                                       ` Dale
2014-07-01  9:06                                         ` Helmut Jarausch
2014-07-01  9:11                                           ` J. Roeleveld
2014-07-01  9:21                                             ` Dale
2014-07-01 10:19                                               ` J. Roeleveld
2014-07-01 12:36                                                 ` Dale
2014-07-01  8:49                                     ` J. Roeleveld
2014-06-25 22:50                         ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-26  2:15                           ` Dale
2014-06-26  5:56                             ` Mick
2014-06-26  5:59                               ` Mick
2014-06-26 14:14                                 ` Dale
2014-06-26 15:08                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-26 15:31                                     ` Dale
2014-06-27 13:22                                     ` Mick
2014-06-27 20:54                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-27 21:26                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2014-06-27 21:41                                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-28  7:48                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Mick
2014-06-28  8:37                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-28 11:54                                           ` Dale
2014-06-26  7:22                               ` [gentoo-user] " Alberto Luaces
2014-06-26 10:11                             ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-06-26 11:03                               ` Dale
2014-06-26 11:24                                 ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-26 11:40                                   ` Dale
2014-06-26  0:38                         ` Bill Kenworthy
2014-06-26  2:31                           ` Dale
2014-06-26 17:39                         ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2014-06-28 11:55                           ` Dale
2014-06-28 12:40                             ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-28 13:05                               ` Dale
2014-06-28 13:08                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-06-28 13:58                                   ` Dale
2014-06-28 14:15                                     ` Dale
2014-06-28 14:50                                       ` Peter Humphrey
2014-06-28 16:00                                         ` Mick
2014-06-28 17:30                                           ` Dale
2014-06-25 16:38                 ` [gentoo-user] " Rich Freeman
2014-06-26  2:13                   ` Dale
2014-06-25 18:44               ` Douglas J Hunley
2014-06-25 18:50                 ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-26 16:05               ` Dale
2014-06-26  0:00             ` David Haller
2014-06-26  2:40               ` Dale
2014-06-26  6:05                 ` David Haller
2014-06-26 16:19             ` [gentoo-user] OT: power requirement (WAS: smartctrl drive error @60%) Frank Steinmetzger
2014-06-26 17:05               ` Daniel Frey
2014-06-26 23:01                 ` Bill Kenworthy
2014-06-26 17:31               ` Dale
2014-06-25 16:55         ` [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-06-25 17:06           ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 17:15             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-06-25 17:44               ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 21:19                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-06-26  3:45                   ` Dale
2014-06-26  1:16                 ` Daniel Frey
2014-06-26  3:54                   ` Dale
2014-06-26 10:05                     ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-26 10:54                       ` Dale
2014-06-26 10:52                     ` Alan McKinnon
2014-06-26 11:20                       ` Dale
2014-06-26 12:57                         ` Alan McKinnon
2014-06-26 13:58                           ` Dale
2014-06-26 17:14                           ` Daniel Frey
2014-06-26 17:21                     ` Daniel Frey
2014-06-25 21:11           ` Dale
2014-06-25  9:46     ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-25 10:05       ` Dale
2014-06-25 10:55         ` thegeezer
2014-06-25 11:02           ` Helmut Jarausch
2014-06-25 13:21             ` covici
2014-06-25 12:33           ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 14:23             ` Neil Bothwick
2014-06-25 14:29               ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 16:00                 ` Dale
2014-06-25 15:30             ` covici
2014-06-25 16:34               ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-25 17:58               ` Alan McKinnon [this message]
2014-06-25 12:30         ` Dale
2014-06-25  7:35 ` Marc Joliet
2014-06-29  3:27 ` Dale
2014-06-29  3:34   ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-29  4:44     ` Dale
2014-06-29  7:38       ` Mick
2014-06-29  8:42         ` Dale
2014-06-29  9:40           ` Mick
2014-06-29 12:05       ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-29 12:30         ` Dale
2014-07-01  5:52         ` Mick
2014-07-01  6:09           ` J. Roeleveld
2014-07-01  7:21             ` Dale
2014-07-01 10:48             ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-01 10:55           ` Alan McKinnon

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