From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666241387FD for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 17:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF5E3E0976; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 17:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a92.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C51E0940 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 17:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a92.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a92.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E0B3DC082 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=0BffYpuXjIS3pvt8qhXWJApkSaY=; b=DGmtqGYCv72Q NU25ixO7dnmwknUIBlQc8uoQYXJnlu9MAPjr9NH3uy+A9CWEKXTbf/wYUfjhzRot UoW5JA0GPfHXYLNg58xuuq98EgII9OD2aRcSYsGhnocY6nU65E6P7mt765+uRaU9 hU6zrPiMPB9I94DhbVkxyuQnfuPA6Ug= Received: from [192.168.1.62] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a92.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C15C3DC081 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 10:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53949CBF.20801@libertytrek.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 13:26:23 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Apologies - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538F0F5F.8020707@libertytrek.org> <20140604144714.13aa4834@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20140604144714.13aa4834@digimed.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 29deeb1e-43a1-4e1b-8607-6a7d8e06f387 X-Archives-Hash: 97ba9248e452878fe464bfa8092d6f27 On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > You seem to think the Upower devs simply decided to use systemd instead > of doing it themselves. In fact, they were always using code, from either > systemd or pm-utils. The fact that development stopped on pm-utils is > neither the fault of the Upower or systemd people. They were reduced to a > choice of one and you blame them for making the wrong choice? Actually, I wasn't talking about upower specifically, I was talking about this whole slippery slope that is systemd - but you are right, and I absolutely apologize for my comment about 'lazy devs', and most of my other negative comments. I still don't like the way systemd seems to be devouring everything to the point that it is apparently inevitable that it will become the default init system for all linux system. But I also admit that this is more just personal bias against Lennart/Kay/etc and all things related to them, all coming just from the many threads I've read, and also just fear of change in general (being that I am *not* a programmer, and am *not* capable of doing anything about this myself, regardless of if I would have the time or not). So, I will absolutely cease and desist denigrating systemd, at least until such time as I can speak from direct personal experience. First question: is there a decent guide to installing a gentoo system from scratch using systemd as the init system? Second question: is there a decent guide to how to switch from OpenRC to systemd? Third question: is there a decent guide on how to switch from systemd back to OpenRC, if I encounter any serious problems on a production box? Thanks, and again, my apologies for starting another flame-fest, and especially for basically abandoning the thread afterwards (busy week last week)...