From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F661381FA for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90F29E07B3; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F80CE094E for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.173.147.84] (85-76-37-17-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.37.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C3FB33FF71 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53901B6A.1040806@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:25:30 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <20140604171420.0a935629@sepulchrave.remarqs> <538F9D39.2020905@gentoo.org> <201406050624.15769.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201406050624.15769.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 86f4fc36-68c8-4671-bf1d-e052c6a9cea3 X-Archives-Hash: 482efad4d7bec92deed71444c2ebf40e On 05/06/14 08:23, Mick wrote: > On Wednesday 04 Jun 2014 23:27:05 Samuli Suominen wrote: >> On 05/06/14 01:14, »Q« wrote: >>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200 >>> >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision >>>> still works fine and likely will for ages to come. That code has been >>>> bundled into a new package upower-pm-utils. >>>> >>>> Anyone that feels like doing it can now step up to the plate and >>>> continue the work upower was doing earlier. >>> I don't understand the development status of upower-pm-utils. Is there >>> someone either upstream or with Gentoo committed to maintaining it? >> No, nobody is actively working on it, it's the abandoned upstream git >> branch that used to be master before 0.99.0's release: >> >> Current sys-power/upower-pm-utils is same as latest code from >> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/log/?h=0.9 >> And last commit is 2013 >> >> I might backport some fixes from git master over at some point later, >> but I won't do any promises >> >>> Or >>> is it a git branch created just to meet the current needs of >>> non-systemd Gentoo users? >> It's to be considered as a temporary solution for applications that need >> the Hibernate and Suspend functionality >> from UPower for non-systemd users, applications like >> mate-session-manager, lxsession, uevt, and so forth >> >> Migrating to >=sys-power/upower-0.99.0 is the recommended path to take >> if at all possible. It's possible for eg. >> Xfce users, because Xfce in ~arch integrated sys-power/pm-utils support >> directly for Hibernate and Suspend >> Also, GNOME 3.12 requires 0.99.0 > Hi Samuli, > > Are you saying that as things stand it is a matter of time before a gentoo > user will have to switch from openrc to systemd, if they want/need to continue > using sleep and hibernate? > For those tasks you mentioned... ...if other desktops don't migrate like Xfce, then something like: Switching to a) systemd, OR b) switching to Xfce (direct pm-utils support in session and power managers), OR c) switching to command line pm-* utilities directly from pm-utils ...might be inevitable And if Linux kernel does changes that break pm-utils, which haven't had a single commit since 2010 in upstream repository: Switching to a) systemd, OR, b) wait, no other possibilities Yes, that's really how poor the situation is, and don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger :-) - Samuli