From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B51C1381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E1D5E0B6A; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CF3FE0B57 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i57so5812314yha.12 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+vZp7ty8huFxxHJLv3F6JV7D2Li+Vek6050Yjc64mQ0=; b=BWIIfs9h6rDqagvMwubtUazdsSedRR+u9GvZn6z+38aaQXXTLnbQgNeDnf9D+/pEGS RTZMi34bfxAlnKXYKjT3m1nIojBfxbEYR1R0O/XLHoFPYa97njELboblxJxyJ+PjyrP1 k8zjOzko24O8stzTan9u6EyLQsRi2OP9ORcCflfoewxvU9DnReB+IF9WokGza+3NXCt1 GmI1C4WvzvmhLQ+kpp+pt0CLrxIKJfHNdN0LF5tCE96rLd3hlDZUdtT3jLTLt614Nj+K Qj5Brew5hxoTfKvRp3LURcgEafvctdddLPYtNv5MWdLiRd5XWtp36EfRiHjgISvweGCe 7+8w== X-Received: by 10.236.131.42 with SMTP id l30mr20168977yhi.130.1401845824585; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.11.12.102] (50-52-216-179.drr01.drhm.nc.frontiernet.net. [50.52.216.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z67sm1549557yhk.50.2014.06.03.18.37.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E783F.3040208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:37:03 -0400 From: Greg Woodbury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: c51308de-8597-4266-837e-693232da6104 X-Archives-Hash: c8ea2257993b1998b7d72f73039ed5d7 On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Who is "forcing" anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE > YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the > right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had > *nothing* to do with it, except for providing a better, more reliable > alternative. > > That's what you and many others don't seem to understand: systemd is a > *BETTER* implementation for basically *ALL* the hodgepodge of > "solutions" that we had before in our plumbing layer. > > There is no conspiracy here (although for *SURE* there are > scare-mongering conspiracy theorists); there is (sic) only developers > working in the best possible implementation for our plumbing layer, > and other developers realizing that, in Linux at least, supporting > anything besides systemd is a freakin' waste of time and resources. > > Again; you don't like it? Then do something about it instead of > posting in *-user lists. You are certainly keen in pressing your *opinions* here there and everywhere. Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have been applied several times to the original SysV concept. However, the implementors and advocates of systemd have stepped on the concerns and violated certain basic freedoms of many folks in their zeal to see their vision become predominate. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury