From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5424B1381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64E2AE0B62; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f43.google.com (mail-yh0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 709DEE0B1C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id v1so5854867yhn.2 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:27:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MjuOlDuYA9Edk/jOMKOtNytngJ5MUw+3/ltX7teLROY=; b=G6/gXbrBRUMrPGGmvbVtQe86qLGUix9M+ZS6cNrJEjy82jMJqQq+7DZurd1rlmFRSO WadJxpngvYxCAnvgdwlz/dD59E6uHWPPMZeJTZ7mB0IaznCIpCu7QQmZT9Ozlaor+LkE sSBE6Zu1wn6P75g9V90YYcGdbMgap4OPWEQ8GoQzBqOYVK0eQYoTAX7mhOlA65tjQHdd ONFP6JZj/DtayM1pM55pgvWHxDkVVoYtco0cFEojWBLAg0spkVT75am7zsPCpfhJuIXq XNvxvOyp7Nsl042RnvHwUEGeCQ8YjcCCsqV7OA/XI2PMHzkSSXcGF/Pvfjj4zz8Uu8xS XHOw== X-Received: by 10.236.152.2 with SMTP id c2mr65913060yhk.25.1401845239473; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.11.12.102] (50-52-216-179.drr01.drhm.nc.frontiernet.net. [50.52.216.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 49sm1535700yhu.26.2014.06.03.18.27.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E75F6.3040207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 21:27:18 -0400 From: Greg Woodbury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DE670.1070906@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <538DE670.1070906@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 6fda3573-8c91-4298-8aee-d4c93eabacd5 X-Archives-Hash: a058f7f6c52f0cf80265c4dfa653037a On 06/03/2014 11:14 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 03/06/14 18:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> Maybe a news item explaining the switch of upower would help those who haven't >>> blundered into this yet. >> Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more >> infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime >> it happens is unrealistic? >> >> I would expect Gentoo users to search for viable solutions by >> themselves, or asking for ways to solve it in the proper channels >> (like Silvio did). > > Yes, thank you. That's exactly how I've seen the situation, but am I > expecting > too much from our users? > > (I think I'll be forced to write up some minimal news item just to shut up > the loud minority who can't be bothered to do anything themselfs, like even > read package ChangeLogs if they stumble upon something manual.) > If someone is going to change the basic rules and expectations of a system in radical ways it is *not* unreasonable to expect that change to be explained in an easy-to-find way (and not buried in a changelog.) -- G.Wolfe Woodbury