From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD511381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EF3FE0B27; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gts.jsbc.cc (ns3.jsbc.cc [75.144.27.161]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CE0E0B1E for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:8332:0:5d77:761e:1f25:ba6e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8332:0:5d77:761e:1f25:ba6e]) by gts.jsbc.cc (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 624ADA62100 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E591B.4020708@jsbc.cc> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:24:11 -0700 From: Jim Burwell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538E2CBA.4000709@gmail.com> <538E37A0.1030105@marc-stuermer.de> <538E40E6.8060107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 0403b6a7-652b-47e9-9d92-ba16d2378bf4 X-Archives-Hash: 3b3c676a9746c0bd3d69adc70e8ec57a On 6/3/2014 16:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> [...] >>>> Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server & >>>> client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing such >>>> software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws? Is >>>> there an NDA or non-compete clause in the mix that I'm not aware of? >>>> Because they are the only things that could stop systemd from writing >>>> such code; without such prohibitions they are free to spend their time >>>> doing whatever they damn well please and if that means yet another dhcp >>>> implementation, so be it. >>> Alan, thanks for succinctly putting why is absurd to complain about >>> someone else's desire to write whatever code she desires to write. And >>> to sharing it to the world! The HORROR! >>> >>> How *DARE* they to release their code? For free! >>> >> Once again, you do not understand the claim. > It is you who does not understand how software workds. See Alan response. > >> If a user of Gentoo chooses to use non systemd profile, it means that >> we need to make sure systemd will not be a valid option, ever. > Again, you don't understand how software works: this has nothing to do > with "profiles", it has to do with the fact that UPower now relies on > systemd, and therefore people who has UPower installed now, *by > default*, require systemd. If they don't want systemd, there is a way > to do it, but it requires manual intervention since they now need to > first uninstall UPower. > >> In this case, if it is to disable the upower USE flag, or to provide >> alternative, block newer version, whatever make it possible to have a >> system working without systemd. > It is provided: > > emerge -C upower > emerge -1v upower-pm-utils > > It has to be done manually, though; otherwise you step on systemd users. > >> systemd should not be visible at any time, nor its implications. > Nobody is here to deal with other people's OCD. > > Regards. FWIW, on my system, I had to mask "sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration" for it to merge the udev update w/o trying to pull in systemd, et al. i didn't deep dive on what was trying to pull that in, but masking it (plus a ton of other stuff I have masked) prevented portage from trying to build a systemd based system.