Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

[Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>]

On 03/06/2014 23:01, Marc Stürmer wrote:
> Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>> This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file
>> to DNS so many years ago.
> 
> Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting
> more and more
> 
> a) a hard dependancy for software projects, e.g. like GNOME, although
> there's no such thing like systemd e.g. on FreeBSD, (MATE instead tries
> to be init system agnostic), making it harder to port
> 
> and
> 
> b) that systemd seems to be on a track to reinvent the wheel or so more
> and more.
> 
> They are really working on their own DHCP server and client at the
> moment, also their own NTP client. Some people coined the term
> Lennartware for it, because it's from Lennart Poettering, like also
> pulseaudio and avahi.
> 
> Some people are already joking that it wants to become the next Emacs.
> 
> Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's
> developers at the beginning of May this year.



I am very familiar with all of that, along with every other regular here
- the topic has been discussed to death here repeatedly[1]

Also, please don't assign all the evils of the free software world to
Lennart. systemd is a large team comprising many more persons than just
Lennart.

Now, ranting about Lennart ain't gonna solve nuthin'.
Writing code will.

The systemd devs have an itch to scratch and they are scratching it by
writing code. I don't see too many other folks writing anything like the
same amount of code and yet for those that want to counter systemd, that
is the only thing that will.

So where's the alternative code? It's not in SysVinit.

For the record, I'm not a systemd fan, I actually run it nowhere.
FWIW, I agree with Lennart's ideas as they have sound technical merit in
principle. It's his implementation I don't like.

Incidentally, what exactly is wrong with systemd writing a dhcp server &
client, and an ntp client? Is that project prohibited from writing such
software? Are they not allowed to do it? Does it break legal laws? Is
there an NDA or non-compete clause in the mix that I'm not aware of?
Because they are the only things that could stop systemd from writing
such code; without such prohibitions they are free to spend their time
doing whatever they damn well please and if that means yet another dhcp
implementation, so be it.

Let's take that argument a little further:
Paul Vixie wrote a dhcp package. Per your logic, it would then not beOK
for Roy Marples to write dhcpcd. but he did, and no-one is complaining.

I can predict the likely response - systemd will bundle their dhcp and
ntp code. So what? It's their time and effort, they are free to choose
to spend it how they wish.

And you are equally free to write something better if you so choose.




[1] For the purpose of this exercise, lets assign a value of "more than
10" to "repeatedly"



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Alan McKinnon
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