From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705A31381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1725BE0A8A; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.no-carrier.info (kraftzwerg.no-carrier.info [87.98.242.129]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECD72E08FE for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D702044D0 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:02:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.339 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, CRM114_CHECK=0.161, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_THREADED=-1.5] autolearn=no X-CRM114-Status: UNSURE ( -3.22 ) X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20140603_230217_506859_F55D7689 Received: from mail.no-carrier.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.no-carrier.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YT5sH66CjuBD for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:02:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p5490CC10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.144.204.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mail@marc-stuermer.de) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 755E4200491 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:02:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marc-stuermer.de; s=tsunami; t=1401829326; bh=VBlmAOQwyJlvQnB4AHvmxgSQpNP78X/wgLBmUuyY7xE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ixaAVFgdZ9C7GI3byl9Jbs7+oGzUbfo5P4+Vi1y9EwPwEnOe1wh9FfatA647qwvYY eRnQ8Fez61CC9cF+gaPVUU/2zO6x9bptiPmxGf2ZLE6PaVGhoVrKSY2Hlor8wzvLfz MsRti6NYm/TDT5y8Tu4Oas0AK8pGDoxWuWdM9U1I= Message-ID: <538E37A0.1030105@marc-stuermer.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:01:20 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyYyBTdMO8cm1lcg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538E2CBA.4000709@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <538E2CBA.4000709@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6936a643-884c-4a5d-97a3-568a1d7eda90 X-Archives-Hash: bc8911e48156a1c2e2769f7d5f22e9c5 Am 03.06.2014 22:14, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > This whole systemd thing looks awfully like the switch from a hosts file > to DNS so many years ago. Not really. What many people bothers about systemd is that it is getting more and more a) a hard dependancy for software projects, e.g. like GNOME, although there's no such thing like systemd e.g. on FreeBSD, (MATE instead tries to be init system agnostic), making it harder to port and b) that systemd seems to be on a track to reinvent the wheel or so more and more. They are really working on their own DHCP server and client at the moment, also their own NTP client. Some people coined the term Lennartware for it, because it's from Lennart Poettering, like also pulseaudio and avahi. Some people are already joking that it wants to become the next Emacs. Even Linus Torvalds himself ranted about the attitude of systemd's developers at the beginning of May this year.