From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8351381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D854CE09ED; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7071E09BA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id t60so7511678wes.27 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YXCbZbWimMZM1b5mcC11nuDWBMtLuuG8kAU2qZpzehs=; b=TVf2u7apsM2G/eTu5WxVEnSJ8IEkdBkVOZiTk1aSXp55DZcKz6caAVGig3dLj2m1rO clWLz4hWCwbOWU7zcn1NtsKGVkBhlwIBn80ZGy6o/u4KD451n/KADb4aw5IrFj8VSsT0 MVaSnFR9pUzel/JEL9bVuPcGC1/6k5iqkrZnCVajWraBIo7NSmr79L9WTPvCSFfC2anD 5NO1QBy/kVOfNMDawmVKTnxhlYOa7UU7NxeL0FsopsPOU5yLv1c8GKDJmakNni3Q2nWi 9ObFWrFDLoF7yQOa7dvw7H3BrQnYyV6VsH9WZwuiLIAMHj+8dsm0p0XMchSALH6JsI72 OPyg== X-Received: by 10.180.77.68 with SMTP id q4mr36192269wiw.21.1401826012258; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-215-51-239.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.51.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qq5sm5601126wic.10.2014.06.03.13.06.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 13:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E2AAF.4080300@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 311437ac-c6db-4712-8552-1955e0d7051f X-Archives-Hash: a1e9d03d3241f6d55fe6e1c5916b02b2 On 03/06/2014 18:48, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more >> infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime >> it happens is unrealistic? > > Weren't you the one saying that those of us who were voicing concerns > that systemd proponents were ultimately wanting to FORCE systemd on > everyone were just scare-mongering conspiracy theorists? > > > I don't think that is what is happening here. The upower devs decided to stop inventing their own wheel wrt hibernate/suspend and instead use the code for the same purpose that is in systemd, lower down the stack. In some way this makes sense, much like if you had your own hand-rolled ssl code and decided to drop it in favour of linking with openssl. The bad news is that upower was the last project actively working on hibernate/suspend outside of systemd, so it can look like conspiracy theory. The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision still works fine and likely will for ages to come. That code has been bundled into a new package upower-pm-utils. Anyone that feels like doing it can now step up to the plate and continue the work upower was doing earlier. Perhaps it really is a case of projects are migrating to systemd because there's an advantage to doing so and makes a dev's life easier. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com