From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900091381FA for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 22:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5F66E0841; Fri, 23 May 2014 22:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1DD5E0823 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1400884169; bh=fAkaUON5wRopSW1d0DZfa73RUn8Bv5qZkgrRjoUxLio=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FhHiEis3qLPW0Et/knD5obhihC/SZToy3cEUVxbO4P2fITzsBM7EAlVzVQki7BOvHCezT+8+U3ajRADtHQ3b68XUfq/iZ9mHpCgh9A5pgoHk8KUY+ilxRyDYZiz2jNmvOINZEii133obWV2zskmf/tuxvM0hbfL2q/W34AF7HoASZZ/O5kwiOyihBuQtHOvoS6FtjGOrmhgbWGxPfZIYeZO8U5TCkPQ4sFxgzr8i1liTX9EdeZRB8Ha6OIzwPbs+o1vqGAnQeeBCiOStvRbAiWsGic2kNA8+npaim6FikNdN3uz8n73wUT1YPLJC4VGYYsgKRH9wZz1EHi9rWaQpeQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=Om1YZh+Bfla8pChcXWtEv/bU/Pm7x1bwP6nCYHyLrkQS13dEg0PKziJaO9ziChliFQKG5YCQBRGavaAghwfz5zApuwWAz+u4LzkMkSp5s2F3cTlsmqOgtNnxBp7LARdTjy0CPUhNjcHRGWmvlzP9ThcYFnOaa9x7dszrn1kpvG0dj6joFAoxYuON3f3qXsx2NHxSGXQHG3dT+VpS+Mi8M1UpV7IU52OknddCeAzzuJJ34D/Gly8ubD8tWJlAKJB3nAOSFCHAVt0eEZ0VLe66BM+vi1iFEJGCGZCvCr8MwkTkFEL86i5r1BNJOzLzbmrIqG8PpWQIjPu8T5NWfGMs5g==; Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2014 22:29:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2014 22:29:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2014 22:29:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 70833.60237.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rrKbUvsVM1nY8IqUUhOh47n01bAQHUY2exyRKL9269HTPF. .LGzfh5aetQm6j59l7c_.3BOWLmc7DFew4.HT0G5ehlzMJXp00ZcFADyv4xP S.p4Fr7T_FsgOke4S4FdxEVJdwQMJfgUIBDMWI.AXjuUg6RNjAiXgHdSWg8b KU14nXspDU1mq3De03nGul_PCGYptXw13dLffQzgFwJOG0Dd8StUU7drNWRJ U7A0uN7ZLqTZaowxzbDvP2yD6NbXtRx9zwrhsZiy3XLuFN8YMxuAom7xtmRW zbivOsIo0FtAjEquvsrx3BbBZ5PPzBLi2dSzKy2aWF.bYzvv2InW0v6bOqEh ypxze1Lac7FhIWAHFPwyalmfg7Ccf9Q6w3wcnYMCoZZTKYOsxega6kxUy50d HBwR1EP9pL8xH51Pi1jEVP_5t8QLH.DWb5GuY1VRdPS7ZQdEYbJqTTqPn1oE acYEellkA4SxA8NP8vcT8BxHSP7R.eSl._rQ45hkRHVxSLgoINqBqmr5wmHG u.ZIUq7_IGximOLjXM2Ohsaw__OCh7jY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oM3WcDSswBC7zv73TQKEsi7eAZ0- X-Rocket-Received: from [216.240.130.116] (w41ter@216.240.130.116 with plain [98.138.31.74]) by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2014 22:29:29 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <537FCBCA.6060902@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 15:29:30 -0700 From: walt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: about to give up on systemd and gnome References: <18881.1400874604@ccs.covici.com> In-Reply-To: <18881.1400874604@ccs.covici.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: f993e667-26cc-42d3-9cd8-43f1a0e808a3 X-Archives-Hash: 05dc74f36fff830ee0ad417ac0f445e3 On 05/23/2014 12:50 PM, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Hi. Well, I thought I was making progress with systemd, but my gnome > session kept saying "oh no something has gone wrong" and would not > work. Also, after such a thing has happened, all my consoles would keep > using the last line to put every line and so I had to keep rebooting. > And when I would reboot systemd would not behave the same way, sometimes > it would hang at certain places, and sometimes it would go all the way > through, but things would not start properly -- maybe a concurrency > problem, but its hard to say what was going on. What a mess, but I > guess I have a setup which systemd does not like, too much parallellism > and no way to get things to start in the order I want them -- or at > least none I could figure out! > > I am open to suggestions here, and I have a log segment I can put > somewhere to illustrage the "oh no" problem, but I am getting tired of > the mess and if I can find something which works with orca I will do > that instead. I've spent many frustrating days fighting the "oh no" syndrome and I found two very annoying workarounds before I gave up on gnome3. First, the file ~/.gnomerc-errors may give you some good hints. Many of my "oh no" moments were caused by broken xorg 3D rendering support, i.e. broken video drivers, etc, etc. Second, many other "oh no" moments were caused by $SOME_MYSTERIOUS item in ~/.config or ~/.local suddenly rendered erroneous by a gnome3 update. I found some of those problem items by renaming those two directories and starting with a completely blank gnome3 slate. If gnome-shell starts okay with the new tabla rasa then you can copy the old .local and .config subdirectories one by one into the new gnome environment until you can reproduce the original breakage. Repeat as needed.