From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C2B1391DB for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DA06E0C8B; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com (mail-yk0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58B7CE0B8B for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q9so9959740ykb.2 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xdIIDFWb7zWQ78J/5K5PLsmBB6qLc5tNuyKXxDa4VBg=; b=C5q/2/VioAlb/sfCFsLprSjQ8JnxCofxHwB9K7mygKIIrf0eAS72OGTZZMYluyJOs/ OoDiIPQYRuuISHcva86QqiD/oF4UxlAsJcwwAuakV/wr0Kkbe8JWD8GT1p/ZWzAm1LL9 HnoYTS7Kn+mlgThKoq2SqUIC5xf/iND18WrLR58fgLBqN8WQTTlfjAPVQ+DU+nFXJYQ+ +Mh1SwFN/H5uj8aYkWeBIg0jwqMsDJntIr97JOUfolqqMZNC4eJSVQjvJqVG0H0oxkgk B66rXZKwf0V+QoTrGalz7cBzmVIXRcBe4ijUtRymtfz2eS1m3owBoRAm4KbK+MTBICHT S4Cw== X-Received: by 10.236.148.143 with SMTP id v15mr50696258yhj.58.1395509067310; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-93-143.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.93.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b7sm14266939yhm.18.2014.03.22.10.24.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532DC749.3060208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:24:25 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <20140321122709.4219538d@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20140321134902.6eaba663@gentoo.org> <20140321142948.59ce3f62@gentoo.org> <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> <532D91B6.3000903@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <532D91B6.3000903@libertytrek.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e90c62ae-66d4-43db-9caf-07dd24ba58ea X-Archives-Hash: cb7144108fce2635c818ffb68bb994cb Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/21/2014 5:57 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> How does one send email to*THIS* list, without being subscribed in >> the first place? A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter. > > I think that is the main and primary point. > > I loathe lists that allow posts from non subscribers > (libreoffice users), because it creates this exact problem. > > But in those cases, it should be on those who wish to leech (ask > questions/get help from the list without having to subscribe) to > proactively get their answers, by reading the archives on the web, etc. > > The burden absolutely should NEVER be on the list participants to try > to figure out who needs to be individually CC'd on replies and who > doesn't. > > Of course, if someone asks a question on such a list, and they > specifically mention they are not subscribed and ask to be directly > CC'd, then that is the one case when doing so is ok. But to blindly do > this to everyone on the list just to insure that your oh-so-valuable > reply makes it to the OP is just the height of arrogance and conceit. > > Exactly. I been on this list about a decade now. In that time, I have seen maybe a handful of people that requested a CC. I seem to vaguely recall one that couldn't access his regular email program, using different computer or something I guess, and didn't want to subscribe with the email addy he was currently using. The folks that were helping him did CC him since in that case, he needed it. That was a really long time ago. In recent history tho, I don't recall anyone requesting a CC at all. If they did, it was on a thread that I did not read. I usually at least try to read the first post to see if I can be of help. It seems that after burning a few bridges tho, this one finally understood the point. Time will tell I guess. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!