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From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:35:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <532D91B6.3000903@libertytrek.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org>

On 3/21/2014 5:57 PM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> How does one send email to*THIS*  list, without being subscribed in
> the first place?  A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter.

I think that is the main and primary point.

I loathe lists that allow posts from non subscribers (<spit>libreoffice 
users</spit>), because it creates this exact problem.

But in those cases, it should be on those who wish to leech (ask 
questions/get help from the list without having to subscribe) to 
proactively get their answers, by reading the archives on the web, etc.

The burden absolutely should NEVER be on the list participants to try to 
figure out who needs to be individually CC'd on replies and who doesn't.

Of course, if someone asks a question on such a list, and they 
specifically mention they are not subscribed and ask to be directly 
CC'd, then that is the one case when doing so is ok. But to blindly do 
this to everyone on the list just to insure that your oh-so-valuable 
reply makes it to the OP is just the height of arrogance and conceit.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-22 13:36 UTC|newest]

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2014-02-15 15:16 [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:01 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:32   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:23     ` Mick
2014-02-15 20:32       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:34         ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 20:46           ` [gentoo-user] " eroen
2014-02-15 20:47           ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 15:46         ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 16:41           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-16 18:11             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-16 21:28               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17  5:22                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-17 16:52                   ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-17 15:29             ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2014-02-17 19:53               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18  3:46                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18  9:47                   ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18  9:52                     ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:17                       ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 12:16                         ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 23:06                           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19  7:07                             ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:54                       ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 12:07                         ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 22:43                         ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 15:08                   ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-16 16:50           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:31             ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:56               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:59             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 20:08               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:58                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 21:16                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 17:52                     ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-17 19:52                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 20:17                         ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 11:41                           ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18  0:35                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18  2:05                         ` Gevisz
2014-02-18  5:30                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 13:56                             ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 18:53                               ` the
2014-02-19 10:37                                 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21  8:41                                   ` the
2014-03-20 16:39                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 17:06                             ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:22                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:07                                 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:14                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:31                                     ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 18:54                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:09                                         ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 19:34                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 21:33                                           ` wabenbau
2014-03-20 16:55                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19  7:04                                     ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19  7:55                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19  9:02                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:34                                         ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 10:50                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:54                                             ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 20:14                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19  9:06                                       ` Gevisz
2014-02-19 10:19                                         ` thegeezer
2014-02-19 12:13                                           ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 18:42                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:00                                             ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 13:09                                               ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 14:43                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 12:38                                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20  5:43                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 12:53                                           ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 15:55                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 18:18                                               ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 18:36                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 20:06                                                   ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:04                                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 21:22                                                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:38                                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 23:37                                                           ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21  0:16                                                             ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21  1:46                                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21  1:40                                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 21:37                                                               ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 22:44                                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 14:32                                                       ` Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 21:58                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-22 16:37                                                           ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 17:46                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 18:57                                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:22                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 20:33                                                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:24                                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 22:55                                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-25 10:03                                                       ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-26  7:16                                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26  8:07                                                           ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-20 19:45                                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 17:33                                                     ` [gentoo-user] " thegeezer
2014-02-21 18:07                                                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 20:33                                                       ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-22 13:21                                                         ` thegeezer
2014-02-22 13:26                                                           ` thegeezer
2014-03-20 19:53                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21  3:36                                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21  4:59                                               ` Dale
2014-02-21  5:53                                               ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 20:00                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:27                                                   ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 21:15                                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:48                                                       ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-03-21 10:37                                                         ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:06                                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-25 20:08                                                           ` »Q«
2014-03-25 22:25                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-25 23:34                                                               ` »Q«
2014-03-26  0:28                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 21:23                                                   ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:08                                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 14:02                                               ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 14:28                                                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 14:50                                                   ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-20 20:14                                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:25                                                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:13                                                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:10                                                           ` Dale
2014-03-21 12:45                                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:41                                                               ` Dale
2014-03-21 18:32                                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22  0:29                                                                   ` Dale
2014-03-25 15:38                                                                     ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 15:35                                                               ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 17:15                                                                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-26  8:49                                                                   ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-26  9:13                                                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-03-21 12:27                                                           ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-03-21 12:49                                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 13:13                                                               ` Poison BL.
2014-03-21 13:29                                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 21:57                                                                   ` Walter Dnes
2014-03-21 22:34                                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-21 23:46                                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 10:34                                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 10:57                                                                           ` Matti Nykyri
2014-03-22 11:08                                                                             ` Dale
2014-03-22 12:18                                                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:15                                                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:56                                                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 14:50                                                                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:28                                                                                   ` luis jure
2014-03-22 15:38                                                                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:52                                                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 19:45                                                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 13:07                                                                               ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 12:05                                                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 23:40                                                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:35                                                                     ` Tanstaafl [this message]
2014-03-22 15:10                                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 17:24                                                                       ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:49                                                                 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:43                                                           ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 18:23                                                             ` Dale
2014-03-21 19:58                                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22  0:28                                                                 ` Dale
2014-03-22  9:24                                                                   ` Mick
2014-03-22  9:52                                                                     ` Dale
2014-02-21 15:20                                                 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 16:05                                                 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-21 21:07                                               ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:32                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-18 19:54                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-21 11:18                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 16:52                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:43                           ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:11                             ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 17:13                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:36                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:36                         ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:12                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19  9:00                             ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20  5:34                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:14                                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-21 22:40                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22  7:40                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-22 10:38                                       ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 17:21                                         ` Stroller
2014-02-22 19:36                                           ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 20:22                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 21:39                                               ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 15:28                                     ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-22 17:50                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:24                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18  9:54                     ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 14:37                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19  8:50                         ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-19 19:54                           ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-20  5:24                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20  9:16                             ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 11:33                               ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-20 11:53                                 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:24                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21  7:03                                     ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-21  8:48                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21  9:59                                         ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:16                               ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 21:03                                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 15:52                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:30                             ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:27                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:24                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:50                         ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:59                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:41                             ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 13:20                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 14:06                                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 14:37                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:29                               ` Dale
2014-02-16 19:00             ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 19:26               ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:55                 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 20:27                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:56                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-18 21:05                     ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-18 21:32                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 22:35                         ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19  0:18                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 12:57                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20  5:06                         ` Mike Gilbert
2014-03-21 11:41                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 12:17                   ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 12:24                     ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-17 15:00                     ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 17:13                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:24                       ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18  0:49                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:44                           ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:09                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:28                       ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18  1:09                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 11:35                           ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 15:02                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:24                           ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 17:46                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18  8:19                       ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-18 14:25                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:24                           ` gottlieb
2014-02-16 20:19               ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:59                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-17  7:01                 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-23 13:35                   ` Mick
2014-02-23 18:18                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 22:32                       ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-23 23:05                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 23:12                         ` Mick
2014-02-23 23:54                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 20:54                             ` Mick
2014-02-24 21:48                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 23:15                                 ` Mick
2014-02-25 12:40                                 ` Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: " Tanstaafl
2014-02-25 12:58                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-25 16:26                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24  1:07                           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-24  2:10                             ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-24  2:20                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24  2:49                                 ` Poison BL.
2014-02-24  2:30                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24  6:37                             ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24  7:11                         ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 12:39                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 13:42                             ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 14:33                               ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 17:42                                 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 18:55                                   ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 20:13                                     ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-26 20:29                         ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-28  6:47                           ` Stroller
2014-02-28  8:05                             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-28 13:45                               ` Stroller
2014-03-01 11:29                                 ` Mick
2014-03-21 11:35               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 20:30     ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 21:32       ` Gevisz
2014-02-16  2:09       ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2014-02-16  2:23         ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-02-21  0:08         ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21  1:42           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21  2:39             ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21  2:53               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21  3:22                 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 21:04                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:24               ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:34                 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 13:43                   ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:54                     ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 14:03                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 15:28                         ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 15:56                           ` OT: 'profit motive' - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 16:23                             ` hasufell
2014-02-21 16:50                               ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 17:17                                 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 18:05                                   ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 19:35                                     ` hasufell
2014-02-21 20:02                                       ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22  0:59                                         ` hasufell
2014-02-21 22:32                                       ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 22:29                             ` Gevisz
2014-02-21  7:42           ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-21 21:32             ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-21 22:43               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 10:05                 ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2014-02-21 22:19             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:48           ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 18:49 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann

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