From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CB41391DB for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78619E0C0C; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uberouter3.guranga.net (unknown [77.76.70.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ADA2E0BFD for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.151.100] (unknown [192.168.151.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uberouter3.guranga.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CC3B82C7F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <532D8B7F.50800@thegeezer.net> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:19 +0000 From: thegeezer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <530474ac.8723700a.7e72.4d4a@mx.google.com> <5304853F.60402@thegeezer.net> <20140320194212.3240d902@gentoo.org> <532D898B.5050100@thegeezer.net> In-Reply-To: <532D898B.5050100@thegeezer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 65c40997-027e-4724-82a6-940e34a6c743 X-Archives-Hash: dcafbde9e17c00b83e4d941798412f7a On 03/22/2014 01:00 PM, thegeezer wrote: > On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 +0000 >> thegeezer wrote: >> >>> the difficulty is that without knowing >> It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a >> short daily visit (or for less important followers, even weekly); >> that's really not too much asked for if you forked logind. >> >> It is even quite common practice and scriptable: >> >> git fetch ... ; git log ... ; git diff ... >> >> In a similar way, I know Portage will get highlighting and a ^ indicator; >> without that being announced until release, here's a copy paste (note >> that what is above ^ would be colored in red, unwrapped to unbreak it): >> >> dev-lang/perl:0 >> >> (dev-lang/perl-5.18.2:0/5.18::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by >> =dev-lang/perl-5.18* required by (virtual/perl-IO-1.280.0:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) >> ^ ^^^^^ >> >> (dev-lang/perl-5.16.3:0/5.16::gentoo, installed) pulled in by >> dev-lang/perl:0/5.16=[-build(-)] required by (dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.967.0:0/0::gentoo, installed) >> ^^^^^^^^ >> =dev-lang/perl-5.16* required by (virtual/perl-libnet-1.230.0:0/0::gentoo, installed) >> ^ ^^^^^ >> (and 19 more with the same problems) >> >> And of course, that's not the only change happening; dependency >> resolution will become faster, some slot operator bug fixes happened >> but caused regressions in released versions and thus more of such fixes >> will be done, some "no parents" messages during slot conflict output >> were nuked, ... >> >> If I can type that as part of this mail, people could follow logind. >> > On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 +0000 >> thegeezer wrote: >> >>> the difficulty is that without knowing >> It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a >> short daily visit (or for less important followers, even weekly); >> that's really not too much asked for if you forked logind. >> >> It is even quite common practice and scriptable: >> >> git fetch ... ; git log ... ; git diff ... >> > there's a slight misunderstanding here. > in a previous link on this list there was gnome developer that basically > said something like "we can't document everything that gnome uses in > systemd/logind because the developers are ahead of us, so in case of > difference the source code is correct". > gnome is big. really big. > so you'd have to diff logind to check for new features and then diff > gnome to find how gnome is using those features. > > so my point over 5 weeks ago was not about the difficulty in _finding_ > the changes, but about keeping track of those changes and implementing htem. > if you read the rest of the thread you will see that in a whole i was > arguing that it is disingenuous to suggest that gnome does not require > logind. > > if you don't see that perhaps you could volunteer to add logind api > features to openRC ? > > btw, why did you reply to me cc the list instead of replying to list ? > i'm on the list already and so because of that my reply-to-list is broken. > it's easy enough to copy and paste the email address but please don't do > that again. > > sorry for the double length and content email. an accident with the copy and paste.