From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE7B1391DB for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E114DE0CD9; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A39E7E0CAF for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id k14so2215432wgh.11 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j5JQVSUaxuAwlguKaN5CD+qXfr4FDKy56xAO74EYcbU=; b=hZR7AJWHo2cMVVhOou1Ntqumr4P6b1kdlgwF4Oe08JQXSHRXOZUC0miQcFFeac3Ghg v/TlSo3IU0vNOj5zlRpmwWc0n5KeebqxSqnrKsqbF5h6SIrU1+EWtN56PbaIftBWRCet wI4aTc7/8223jpSh7dYNyWpYaB1foquJwwjJ1EQT2EMS0cemkJ8CMysiTniUasLv0x2m ayiXu2T0GFM3vKqSuZKG3UlCDdwla1aG+Uz44T3xnC2UYJr32sMtsxRsz9DzWahO74OX Je4Lud5g+43Uim4wipD81exBA4JL9cxOBI8hfCOYNrMSirr6IDXm+EksPPxwh1Fk4QVp RFjQ== X-Received: by 10.180.97.98 with SMTP id dz2mr2745759wib.21.1395484519167; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-126-50.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.126.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hi1sm15181538wjb.17.2014.03.22.03.35.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Mar 2014 03:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532D674D.1020007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:34:53 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <20140321122709.4219538d@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20140321134902.6eaba663@gentoo.org> <20140321142948.59ce3f62@gentoo.org> <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> <532CBE8F.7080506@gmail.com> <20140322004640.7d57eff6@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140322004640.7d57eff6@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7076eca8-357e-43d2-8383-66a1129096a4 X-Archives-Hash: d19096a01c444100c76db0621a5c2997 On 22/03/2014 01:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list >> so all discussion happens on-list and is visible to all >> >> gentoo-user has always been the latter and all discussion always takes >> place on-list. If some doc somewhere says otherwise, change the doc to >> reflect reality. > > http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml mentions it is about support > too, and people that are here to be supported don't necessarily want to > follow the discussion that comes along as well; thus unsubscribe > before an answer or not subscribe at all in the first place, they then > instead rely on receiving a mail regardless of that. > > CC-ing ensures that the minutes spent on the answer make it reach the > person; relying on that they are (still) subscribed, I can waste time. > > See the most recent mail I sent before this for details. > I disagree. Your default position on things seems to be to favour the theoretical position over the reality. I'm the opposite, being a sysadmin and not a developer I'm a realist and not a theoretician. I work with the way things are and really only look at the theory when stuff is proven broken. What is currently happening is you are sending mails directly addressed to me so they do not get filtered and end up cluttering my already full inbox. You are breaking my filters. I do not want to receive list mail from you addressed directly to me, I want it addressed to the list. I do want you to fix your mailer so that you stop inconveniencing me. And I would *really* prefer not to have to tweak my filters to accommodate you. I'd rather you do that heavy lifting (on account of you causing it). Do you see what I'm getting at? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com