From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AA41391DB for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8274E0D43; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com (mail-yh0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2E46E0D2B for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id t59so3408916yho.15 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:52:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=pGGAtKH07ei64e5zv6OgLrKsSfAWPIycTeMatdMS5/g=; b=yDSU+DpQFnzDqX2KckRmPq4BrhoXcmP2jOh99SYSWK8l0jB1MYt50HbNYyaYjCZok1 9t05TgPMHJlqTa46GeZv9OMPrkevXkwObRdRYMdUK71D7AdpeJ1khHOXczqJ4kenlrRw jTec1IxsHzgJSbYOOLInjpL3YnaK3wU63SmDWMyyR/12WSPDHLGoQnb60BCNAxbwcoXN 8bqE56C6hgzyofORSQDXusCT70fHwMkOfheFnSXWQ9s+qlKAkYq9y403kIHMZ5z/+EMo cHoIg+ApUUG+NvYHWfzYwrKKOynW/HrTLbzZb4DetnAnu3nGHhGaN79QlIG3ddmFZxEB K1Gw== X-Received: by 10.236.79.101 with SMTP id h65mr33995805yhe.81.1395481964684; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-93-143.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.93.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t37sm12625614yhp.25.2014.03.22.02.52.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Mar 2014 02:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532D5D6B.20605@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 04:52:43 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <532C99DD.5010108@gmail.com> <532CD914.4030009@gmail.com> <201403220924.57930.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201403220924.57930.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060508000005030804080608" X-Archives-Salt: ad06f9f3-f957-4ca7-8c1c-3d7f8b29976b X-Archives-Hash: 8116f85cd8da41b1dba2dade10e8f8b8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060508000005030804080608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mick wrote: > On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 00:28:04 Dale wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't >>> possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime >>> Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty >>> stuff in the world more deserving of attention than this. >> >> I fixed it now. No more problems. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > > Some of us read all, but reply only where we think we can add value and when > time allows. > > There is no need really on this list for verbal abuse, especially when a > contributor has offered well considered advice and carefully articulated > opinion. > > Nevertheless, I also find personally addressed emails annoying, but it can be > fixed by setting up a filter on most mail clients to drop them in the > corresponding M/L. This may be a more civil way than alienating people who > want to join this community. I'm just saying ... > If a person sends html messages to this list, there is quite a few that will block because they can't read them. Same as with quite a few other things that is not liked on this list. Folks don't like html and don't like getting two copies of the same message. My point was and still is, if he doesn't want to conform to what this list expects, he will be blacklisted by people on this list. Period. It's nothing personal about it since I would inform anyone else of the same thing. It's really that simple. I still remember when I first joined this list. I was told the same thing about my email program sending html. If I had not conformed to the requests of people on this mailing list, I would have been blacklisted by a large group of people and was told that I would by some of the very ones that would do it. When joining a community, you conform to what is expected. You don't join and then force everyone else to conform to what you want. All Tom had to do is not CC everyone. Real simple. No harder than me telling my software to send text only message to gentoo.org. It seemed to me that Tom refused the request of quite a few people even after several asked him to change. Based on that, I blacklisted him. That is something I rarely do but hey, it is what it is. I fixed his problem for him. I suspect others have done the same. BTW, I have yet to see him add much of anything to any discussion. I've seen his posts on -dev as well. I won't now but still. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------060508000005030804080608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Mar 2014 00:28:04 Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't
>>> possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime
>>> Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty
>>> stuff in the world more deserving of attention than this.
>>
>> I fixed it now.  No more problems.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>
> Some of us read all, but reply only where we think we can add value and when
> time allows.
>
> There is no need really on this list for verbal abuse, especially when a
> contributor has offered well considered advice and carefully articulated
> opinion.
>
> Nevertheless, I also find personally addressed emails annoying, but it can be
> fixed by setting up a filter on most mail clients to drop them in the
> corresponding M/L.  This may be a more civil way than alienating people who
> want to join this community.  I'm just saying ...
>

If a person sends html messages to this list, there is quite a few that will block because they can't read them.  Same as with quite a few other things that is not liked on this list.  Folks don't like html and don't like getting two copies of the same message.  My point was and still is, if he doesn't want to conform to what this list expects, he will be blacklisted by people on this list.  Period.  It's nothing personal about it since I would inform anyone else of the same thing.  It's really that simple.

I still remember when I first joined this list.  I was told the same thing about my email program sending html.  If I had not conformed to the requests of people on  this mailing list, I would have been blacklisted by a large group of people and was told that I would by some of the very ones that would do it.  When joining a community, you conform to what is expected.  You don't join and then force everyone else to conform to what you want.  All Tom had to do is not CC everyone.  Real simple.  No harder than me telling my software to send text only message to gentoo.org.

It seemed to me that Tom refused the request of quite a few people even after several asked him to change.  Based on that, I blacklisted him.  That is something I rarely do but hey, it is what it is.  I fixed his problem for him.  I suspect others have done the same.

BTW, I have yet to see him add much of anything to any discussion.  I've seen his posts on -dev as well.   I won't now but still.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

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