From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404241391DB for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A97ACE0BA6; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 889D8E0B48 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id p61so1962151wes.41 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kYqRnbSS47M/40o1AJWs1QL4hVpe2xUWkqC8XUUxyaI=; b=xGar4ua62GI9AzFSMODoL/3j7nYZHCoX4kHqPNKmxF5hJukmOwhR2obURzwYnwvaSg Sts95eMP4mCYy7gPufcigFaoTJ8hxTsPec94BV2fy+EYkQzXTGcZkIp/qFJ/5Eoftdss Z/n+OrMxXLUx61jlkkWVx3mtw9qHgfR3D+iaYRG5FBfqv7WHasTNEWC/n2EKy77BLq0M mToKVxJpk0/cpCa5R93eIKTNvC6bGDgi9fzwAXcR+FlTXDSgrQQr8Bhz7GoBNtlVBWBd GkxnqWnwy0U5pSGwcAY9c+0lWj669WviiXrWhJmIVxd5KlvCQ7d4YD4R0kQKKlok3+0W Uwpw== X-Received: by 10.180.185.232 with SMTP id ff8mr45010wic.25.1395441322206; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-126-101.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.126.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n15sm10490956wij.3.2014.03.21.15.35.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532CBE8F.7080506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <20140321122709.4219538d@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20140321134902.6eaba663@gentoo.org> <20140321142948.59ce3f62@gentoo.org> <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6426c4af-656a-431f-8e58-49b111761cf9 X-Archives-Hash: d5bed25823436cfb1a6d2457cf98927e On 21/03/2014 23:57, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:29:48PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote > >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail >> >> "The mailing list etiquette requires people to CC all the people >> involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case >> any of them is not subscribed." > > How does one send email to *THIS* list, without being subscribed in > the first place? A bugzilla mailing list is a different matter. A web > form bug submission goes to a list, which the submitter is probably not > subscribed to. Developers do need to CC their replies to the original > submitter to let them know what's happening. But I'm not aware of any > such mechanism on this list. If someone is involved in a thread here, > then they've obviously subscribed here. So the CC: is redundant. > > Speaking of procmail+formail, I use them to tame the lists that follow > Chip Rosenthal's ideas. E.g., if this list did that, I would use... > > :0 fhw > * ^X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists\.gentoo\.org > * !^Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists\.gentoo\.org > | formail -i "Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists\.gentoo\.org (Gentoo users)" > > I do this to the few lists I run into that I want/need, which blindly > follow Chip's ideas. > Chip Rosenthal? yeah, he's the "Reply-To munging considered harmful" fellow Trouble is, he argues from a theoretical position and ignores what people actually do with lists. There's two main uses: 1. a distribution mechanism to reach all subscribers and/or where you don;t have to be subscribed to post. For these you really don't want to munge Reply-To 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list so all discussion happens on-list and is visible to all gentoo-user has always been the latter and all discussion always takes place on-list. If some doc somewhere says otherwise, change the doc to reflect reality. I utterly fail to see why so many folks on the internet can't see why there's two kinds of lists... I think I'm going to compose an essay; "Chip Rosenthal and his detractors all considered harmful" -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com