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[65.0.93.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 46sm9193222yhg.36.2014.03.21.10.41.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <532C79AF.1040208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <532C2C49.8070100@gmail.com> <20140321134507.46ae3315@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140321134507.46ae3315@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7f3667d1-bfa9-4514-99ff-652cc6f58750 X-Archives-Hash: 819e8a8ca263096f13fded70d03a1940 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to >> change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of >> you changing what you do to fix the problem? > Everyone else is okay with it, as only one in a thousand speaks up > about it; the problem rather is with that 0.1% than that it is with me, > as I just use mailing lists as they are supposed to be used. FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After that, you don't exist to them. >> To put it another way, you want to inconvenience everyone else >> instead of doing things the way everyone else does it and has done it >> for a long time? > That's what the Reply-To header mungling does; it makes you unable to > tell me through the Reply-To header what you want, and as a result I > need to use the default than to be able to automatically respect it. > > As can be seen, that is an automatic guarantee that it will reach you. > > Just as well as the automatic guarantee that the same Message ID is the > same message; and thus, your mail client should be filtering duplicates. > To my knowledge, the only emails I have not got when someone sent to this mailing list is when the mailing list server had problems and that was a long long time ago. You send a email to the list and the list gets the email. There is NO need to CC everyone so that they get dups. Period. We don't need a CC guarantee. >> Here's a hint. I can see a LOT of people adding you to their >> blacklist. You could very well end up talking to yourself on this >> mailing list. > Here's a hint. Lots of people appear to respond to me. > This is a COMMUNITY effort here and you seem to not want to be a part of the community. When I first came here, my email program sent html. I was told that HTML is not appreciated here. Some even provided examples of why it is not appreciated. I asked how to change that, I was given the help needed to change it and I have made sure that it remained that way since. There was a point in time where I changed software and couldn't find the setting. I asked if anyone knew where it was and got the help needed to get it set back to plain text, as EVERYONE else does on this list. If you don't want to be here by the standards set, say good bye. I'm trying to help you by telling you this. People will blacklist you and never say a word about it. I suspect quite a few already has. It would be wise to change your way of handling this list or you will lose. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!