[gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

For a week or so I see flickering applications here.

I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update
didn't help.

I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also
didn't find anything matching at bgo.

This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but it worked without a
problem until this.

Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
is rather annoying.

Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone have
an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?

Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Dale]

Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> For a week or so I see flickering applications here.
>
> I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update
> didn't help.
>
> I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also
> didn't find anything matching at bgo.
>
> This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but it worked without a
> problem until this.
>
> Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
> affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
> is rather annoying.
>
> Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone have
> an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?
>
> Stefan
>
>
>


I don't recall upgrading my Nvidia drives with the last update but
Firefox did upgrade.  I notice some weird stuff going on to but not sure
of the cause yet.  It may be Firefox since that seems to be all that is
affected here.  All the other programs work fine.  I don't use
Thunderbird here. 

You may not be alone on this at least.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 19.02.2014 11:27, schrieb Dale:

> I don't recall upgrading my Nvidia drives with the last update but
> Firefox did upgrade.  I notice some weird stuff going on to but not sure
> of the cause yet.  It may be Firefox since that seems to be all that is
> affected here.  All the other programs work fine.  I don't use
> Thunderbird here. 
> 
> You may not be alone on this at least.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

;-)


just found something around "azure" ... but it is disabled here already:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929053

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928727

... although I don't see black rectangles, it's more some kind of
hopping lines when I type this message (for example)

Seems as if the updating of the window does not work ok (when scrolling
longer messages etc)

[gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[walt]

On 02/19/2014 01:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> 
> For a week or so I see flickering applications here.
> 
> I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update
> didn't help.
> 
> I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also
> didn't find anything matching at bgo.
> 
> This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but it worked without a
> problem until this.

Until what, exactly?  I use qlop -l to review the list of recent updates,
which gives me clues about what packages to suspect.

Also, you should try thunderbird-bin to see if the official build has the
same problem.
 
> Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
> affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
> is rather annoying.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone have
> an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 19.02.2014 14:40, schrieb walt:
> On 02/19/2014 01:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>>
>> For a week or so I see flickering applications here.
>>
>> I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update
>> didn't help.
>>
>> I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also
>> didn't find anything matching at bgo.
>>
>> This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but it worked without a
>> problem until this.
> 
> Until what, exactly?  I use qlop -l to review the list of recent updates,
> which gives me clues about what packages to suspect.

I can't tell the date ... you know: something happens, one thinks it
will soon go away and lives with it ... tries something which doesn't
help and days go by ...

> Also, you should try thunderbird-bin to see if the official build has the
> same problem.

good idea, will do, thanks!

btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel,
thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ...

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stroller]

On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
> ...
> btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel,
> thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ...

What have you done to rule out hardware?

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 19.02.2014 16:57, schrieb Stroller:
> 
> On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>> ...
>> btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel,
>> thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ...
> 
> What have you done to rule out hardware?

nothing.

I think hardware would not make only specific apps/windows fail, right?
At least it doesn't sound very likely to me ...

I could boot from a live cd to cross check ... will try that.

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/02/2014 18:38, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 19.02.2014 16:57, schrieb Stroller:
>>
>> On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 1:57 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> btw: my thinkpads don't show this behavior. Same gnome, kernel,
>>> thunderbird, but intel-based graphics. So it smells like nvidia ...
>>
>> What have you done to rule out hardware?
> 
> nothing.
> 
> I think hardware would not make only specific apps/windows fail, right?
> At least it doesn't sound very likely to me ...

Yes, it can. But not in the obvious way.

Video cards and GPUs are complex devices implementing numerous features.
It is possible that your GPU/video card hardware is broken wrt one or a
few of these features and Mozilla apps are the only ones you use that
make use of these features.

It's a bit of a perfect storm situation and frankly, software drivers
are more likely to provoke it than broken hardware. I would keep the
possibility in the back of my head to be checked way down the line of
possibilities though.

Meanwhile, if your hardware vendor provides a hardware diagnostics tool
you could run it for fun and see what it says. Those tests are fairly
rapid so you don't lose much by giving it a spin.


> 
> I could boot from a live cd to cross check ... will try that.

or you could do that ^^^ instead :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 19.02.2014 20:02, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> Yes, it can. But not in the obvious way.
> 
> Video cards and GPUs are complex devices implementing numerous
> features. It is possible that your GPU/video card hardware is broken
> wrt one or a few of these features and Mozilla apps are the only ones
> you use that make use of these features.
> 
> It's a bit of a perfect storm situation and frankly, software
> drivers are more likely to provoke it than broken hardware. I would
> keep the possibility in the back of my head to be checked way down
> the line of possibilities though.
> 
> Meanwhile, if your hardware vendor provides a hardware diagnostics
> tool you could run it for fun and see what it says. Those tests are
> fairly rapid so you don't lose much by giving it a spin.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I could boot from a live cd to cross check ... will try that.
> 
> or you could do that ^^^ instead :-)

I might do that, thanks. An ubuntu-live-cd showed no problems. Although
for sure it was a different set of software ... other kernel,
nvidia-drivers, gnome ....

We'll see ...

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Per-Erik Westerberg]

ons 2014-02-19 klockan 21:14 +0100 skrev Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 19.02.2014 20:02, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> 
> > Yes, it can. But not in the obvious way.
> > 
> > Video cards and GPUs are complex devices implementing numerous
> > features. It is possible that your GPU/video card hardware is broken
> > wrt one or a few of these features and Mozilla apps are the only ones
> > you use that make use of these features.
> > 
> > It's a bit of a perfect storm situation and frankly, software
> > drivers are more likely to provoke it than broken hardware. I would
> > keep the possibility in the back of my head to be checked way down
> > the line of possibilities though.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, if your hardware vendor provides a hardware diagnostics
> > tool you could run it for fun and see what it says. Those tests are
> > fairly rapid so you don't lose much by giving it a spin.
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> I could boot from a live cd to cross check ... will try that.
> > 
> > or you could do that ^^^ instead :-)
> 
> I might do that, thanks. An ubuntu-live-cd showed no problems. Although
> for sure it was a different set of software ... other kernel,
> nvidia-drivers, gnome ....
> 
> We'll see ...
> 

I have seen this flickering in gnome-terminal, in nxclient and also in
the window title of chromium. I am using gentoo-sources-3.13.3,
nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 and chromium-33.0.1750.70. Both in
gnome-terminal and in nxclient it looked like some kind of
"blink-attribute" was used. ;)

  BR / P-E

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stroller]

On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 4:38 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>> ...
>> What have you done to rule out hardware?
> 
> nothing.
> 
> I think hardware would not make only specific apps/windows fail, right?
> At least it doesn't sound very likely to me ...

Sorry, didn't fully read your original post - I thought it was the whole screen.

I agree, it seems less likely to be hardware, if it's only specific windows.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.02.2014 06:21, schrieb Stroller:
>
> On Wed, 19 February 2014, at 4:38 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> What have you done to rule out hardware?
>>
>> nothing.
>>
>> I think hardware would not make only specific apps/windows fail, right?
>> At least it doesn't sound very likely to me ...
>
> Sorry, didn't fully read your original post - I thought it was the whole screen.
>
> I agree, it seems less likely to be hardware, if it's only specific windows.

tried thunderbird-bin right now. Same behavior.
hmmm.

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.03.2014 17:58, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

> tried thunderbird-bin right now. Same behavior.
> hmmm.

I suspect nvidia-drivers or something ... latest mesa does not compile 
as well

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481316

I will try the mentioned steps and see if things change.

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.03.2014 18:19, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 05.03.2014 17:58, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>
>> tried thunderbird-bin right now. Same behavior.
>> hmmm.
>
> I suspect nvidia-drivers or something ... latest mesa does not compile
> as well
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481316
>
> I will try the mentioned steps and see if things change.

nope. Browsed mozilla-bugzilla ... no idea what to do.
Downgrading to test? portage only brings tb 17.0.x and current 24.3.x

nouveau-drivers? sounds like a big step to me ... right?

[gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[»Q«]

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:55:10 +0100
"Stefan G. Weichinger" <lists@xunil.at> wrote:

> Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
> affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
> is rather annoying.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone
> have an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?

Try setting layers.acceleration.disabled to true in about:config.  (I'm
sorry I don't remember how to get to about:config in Thunderbird;  I
think there's a button somewhere.)

In case layers.acceleration.force-enabled is set to true (it shouldn't
be), toggle it to false.

I think these settings require a restart of the application to take
effect.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Francesco Turco]

On 03/05/2014 08:06 PM, »Q« wrote:
> Try setting layers.acceleration.disabled to true in about:config.  (I'm
> sorry I don't remember how to get to about:config in Thunderbird;  I
> think there's a button somewhere.)

It's Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > Config editor.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[wraeth]

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> It's Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > Config editor.
You can also enter "about:config" into the address bar.  This also works
for "about:cache", "about:plugins" and "about:mozilla".  There may be
others, but there you go. :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.03.2014 20:06, schrieb »Q«:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:55:10 +0100
> "Stefan G. Weichinger" <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>
>> Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
>> affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
>> is rather annoying.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone
>> have an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?
>
> Try setting layers.acceleration.disabled to true in about:config.  (I'm
> sorry I don't remember how to get to about:config in Thunderbird;  I
> think there's a button somewhere.)
>
> In case layers.acceleration.force-enabled is set to true (it shouldn't
> be), toggle it to false.

It is false already (I think I did that weeks ago when I started to 
research this.


I also have layers.acceleration.disabled = true


S

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Poncho]

On 19.02.2014 10:55, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> 
> For a week or so I see flickering applications here.
> 
> I thought it would help to upgrade nvidia-drivers but even todays update
> didn't help.
> 
> I rebuilt thunderbird-24.3.0 and nvidia-drivers-334.16-r7 ... I also
> didn't find anything matching at bgo.
> 
> This is gnome-3.10, I know, masked stuff ... but it worked without a
> problem until this.
> 
> Other windows like terminals or browsers (chrome, opera) are not
> affected ... but in thunderbird I get flickering message windows which
> is rather annoying.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know how to describe it in a better way. Does anyone have
> an idea? Some mozilla-specific problem ;-) ?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 

it may be you're hitting this clutter bug:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724788

https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?h=clutter-1.16&id=6665f47d66a871b6e1a5f4200282f42da043a0e8

https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/690704/linux/-334-16-parts-of-the-ui-randomly-flicker-when-moving-the-mouse/

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 07.03.2014 10:35, schrieb Poncho:

> it may be you're hitting this clutter bug:
> 
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724788
> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?h=clutter-1.16&id=6665f47d66a871b6e1a5f4200282f42da043a0e8
> 
> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/690704/linux/-334-16-parts-of-the-ui-randomly-flicker-when-moving-the-mouse/
> 

great pointers, thank you!

I currently try downgrading nvidia-drivers ... the module loads but
gdm/gnome does not come up. Maybe I have to downgrade clutter as well. I
will report back!

thanks again!

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Poncho]

On 07.03.2014 11:06, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 07.03.2014 10:35, schrieb Poncho:
> 
>> it may be you're hitting this clutter bug:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724788
>>
>> https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?h=clutter-1.16&id=6665f47d66a871b6e1a5f4200282f42da043a0e8
>>
>> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/690704/linux/-334-16-parts-of-the-ui-randomly-flicker-when-moving-the-mouse/
>>
> 
> great pointers, thank you!
> 
> I currently try downgrading nvidia-drivers ... the module loads but
> gdm/gnome does not come up. Maybe I have to downgrade clutter as well. I
> will report back!
> 
> thanks again!
> 

if I remember correctly, you need to re-emerge mesa

Re: [gentoo-user] flickering thunderbird and firefox

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 07.03.2014 11:46, schrieb Poncho:
> On 07.03.2014 11:06, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>> Am 07.03.2014 10:35, schrieb Poncho:
>>
>>> it may be you're hitting this clutter bug:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724788
>>>
>>> https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?h=clutter-1.16&id=6665f47d66a871b6e1a5f4200282f42da043a0e8
>>>
>>> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/690704/linux/-334-16-parts-of-the-ui-randomly-flicker-when-moving-the-mouse/
>>>
>>
>> great pointers, thank you!
>>
>> I currently try downgrading nvidia-drivers ... the module loads but
>> gdm/gnome does not come up. Maybe I have to downgrade clutter as well. I
>> will report back!
>>
>> thanks again!
>>
>
> if I remember correctly, you need to re-emerge mesa

the downgrade of nvidia-drivers to 331.49 seems to have helped ... maybe 
in combination with other stuff.

but I get issues with this:
!!! existing preserved libs:
 >>> package: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-331.49
  *  - /usr/lib32/opengl/nvidia/lib/libEGL.so.1
  *  - /usr/lib32/opengl/nvidia/lib/libEGL.so.334.21
  *      used by /usr/lib32/egl/egl_gallium.so 
(app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-opengl-20131008)
  *      used by /usr/lib32/libcairo-gobject.so.2.11200.14 
(app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-gtklibs-20131008-r1)
  *      used by /usr/lib32/libcairo-script-interpreter.so.2.11200.14 
(app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-gtklibs-20131008-r1)
  *      used by /usr/lib32/libcairo.so.2.11200.14 
(app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-gtklibs-20131008-r1)
  *  - /usr/lib32/libnvidia-glsi.so.334.21
Use emerge @preserved-rebuild to rebuild packages using these libraries


These 2 packages still want to be rebuilt after rebuilding them ;-)

Maybe I should unmerge them and emerge them from scratch?

S