From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649DE138E66 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C741E0A00; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF65E09E0 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k14so350361wgh.26 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:59:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=118p/kR20/S/Rm+IfUj4r56r8SkytqOeEBOrMwAZIUA=; b=FT09k7NAw3Azn+3RCtKx5RJryXz91TrGdcKgebJCiselv/rV7BXN7ThCbFGXPAG3zx gmgE5CYwqC717qlwZwJt38ZrQzL+jWhPWFWtyAOY/fZgL3kfFu6CRLcdYLVg+XZQZmw2 ypddSCowqGuTQnkXkLG0v5mRDfeWjvgcm+/FguF+99vPjAZgMDX6UmzLWrmgloPGQedK 3kRcQLZRIr2gjgVQ8IeWai+AYv4NzDo8tSd4/9I7wJqJTYIPn/BSQEXQepGP1T0TtSl5 BDo8Kti1EQzoKGELR9KR0HCm0lQ0SYcqzQVVZEB+EFn5Ad4zT+GEnCkVxoGmthQJKxuI Paiw== X-Received: by 10.194.110.135 with SMTP id ia7mr24403182wjb.5.1393333156059; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-127-208.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.127.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 12sm50555047wjm.10.2014.02.25.04.59.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:59:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530C9392.6000205@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:58:58 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <201402232312.18683.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <201402242054.31561.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530C8F2F.3000502@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <530C8F2F.3000502@libertytrek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: a787d2b3-84e3-43f4-a46c-c355e7801d74 X-Archives-Hash: 84f7e5da0cfa9f3b812ebf30a8c9f1cc On 25/02/2014 14:40, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-02-24 4:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> In Gentoo you need systemd, but that's a decision from the Gentoo >> maintainers. They do the job, they make the choices. > > Interesting. Now I have to spin off a new thread as to why this decision > was made if it isn't forced by GNOME itself... > > > Gnome uses logind, Canek has consistently stated that for months now. logind is part of systemd (AIUI it's more "bundled" than "a chunk of a monolothic lump") and replaces consolekit. The feature set of logind can be implemented in something else. Or, that functionality in previous Gnome versions forward-ported to 3.10 to be able to drop logind as a dep. OpenBSD would have had little choice in this as systemd doesn't run on OpenBSD - systemd uses many features unique to the Linux kernel. So they would have had to do *something* about logind. Whatever they did, it would have been a non-trivial amount of work. I suspect the Gentoo Gnome maintainers were not prepared to, or don't have the manpower, to do the same on Gentoo so took the easier route of depending on systemd. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com