From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE41138EE1 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBEDEE0D8A; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uberouter3.guranga.net (unknown [78.25.223.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB397E0CC1 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.151.100] (unknown [192.168.151.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uberouter3.guranga.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CCD1829D1 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:21:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <5308A472.40600@thegeezer.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:21:54 +0000 From: thegeezer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <530646EA.4020300@libertytrek.org> <5306603C.1040602@libertytrek.org> <53078DF7.30603@thegeezer.net> <5b3a85c3098fa64bc97d071b1b957ce8.squirrel@www.antarean.org> In-Reply-To: <5b3a85c3098fa64bc97d071b1b957ce8.squirrel@www.antarean.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 95a75d1d-4512-45ed-a04d-d4ad5f95d0af X-Archives-Hash: e322ffb77f028e31984f924b700a38ed On 02/21/2014 08:33 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Fri, February 21, 2014 18:33, thegeezer wrote: >> On 02/20/2014 08:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > >> .. setting systemd to log to syslog to make transitions smoother (as >> logs are lost on reboot by default) > Eeerh, logs are lost on reboot? until you configure journald to have persistent logs > I only had (it died last weekend) one (yes, ONE) machine that was so > configured and that was a netbook with only 16GB SSD. > > On all my machines I want to SEE the logs especially if it reboots > unexpectedly. which is why i suggest using syslogd to smooth the transition. the last thing anyone wants to do with a new system is learn how to find out where the error logs are or how to access them from busybox >