From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE108138E20 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1114E0EE6; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f49.google.com (mail-ee0-f49.google.com [74.125.83.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D65FE0CC2 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f49.google.com with SMTP id d17so1865516eek.22 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:34:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0FWSGdCMP4m+1BBvB6cLvMh8zPm/T3qDps2MeDT+Cu8=; b=oiske/I9dNTy5VlVxuXSuxv1EScgRzmRWU+Hcy9v3Q3/Y51PcFwf7ay7aqNUSztFpr rPSCI05oUgRPtxfXolfqIBShjarwoDo9AvaIcMnVb0PruigpAs3VqLQMml7YCmW/YQ1f XTO3sY7/FsHiNQiJ8Z427txi+jdlLtcruIwOPtPA64Du3RzSeKyiRQ4rBEtvPucEF4io NpSoJoMkzlvq+MRgkbEPivViLS81nXsjsgnSnJaZh7aE7R8VJqJvL5SOMlT4KhXkMCXa yy1VnafL+rHk89YpGlSNRc0fwwhqgbpttncVtBa3H6K5UAU07WjLCqDpG8EpBzpGpCO1 XGJQ== X-Received: by 10.14.107.9 with SMTP id n9mr11106588eeg.21.1393022092352; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x6sm31540634eew.20.2014.02.21.14.34.51 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:34:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5307d48b.06380f0a.0bc7.3c65@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 00:32:38 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: OT: 'profit motive' - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie In-Reply-To: <5307AA8B.6060202@gentoo.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> <52FFCE52.5060401@sporkbox.us> <5306990B.1030506@sporkbox.us> <5306BC47.9080803@sporkbox.us> <5307537F.5020506@libertytrek.org> <530755DE.7060007@sporkbox.us> <530757EE.204@libertytrek.org> <53075A91.2070903@sporkbox.us> <53075CC3.1030104@libertytrek.org> <5307711d.c5670e0a.2915.701e@mx.google.com> <5307772F.2010708@libertytrek.org> <53077D8A.3070402@gentoo.org> <530783E8.1050502@libertytrek.org> <53078A14.5060304@gentoo.org> <53079562.9040200@libertytrek.org> <5307AA8B.6060202@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8f0859bf-f504-498a-9900-6221e7ca17f1 X-Archives-Hash: 03f262ea19a0279c5a235d8ef9e894b3 On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:35:39 +0000 hasufell wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Tanstaafl: > > On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell wrote: > >> Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common > >> thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no > >> emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you > >> have never met such a person or have never been in such an > >> environment. > > > > You are confusing 'intent' with 'result'. > > No. You are confusing yourself with the rest of the world. :-) > > Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of cases > > engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I can think > > of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they use/drink, they > > 'profit' in that the feel better (albeit temporarily), regardless > > of the ultimate result. > > > > I wasn't really talking about drug addicts. > > If you are interested in real self-destructive behaviour, talk to > someone who has worked in an asylum which is only one interesting > environment that can make you think very different about "people". > > There are even people who are not driven by anything, not even > self-destruction. Pure apathy. > > Another interesting thing... talk to a trial lawyer who has been in > that business for 10+ years. I really doubt that many of those will > support your "profit intention" concept. Most of the time it's about > short-cut reactions that are merely following instincts or emotional > impulses. Strong emotions can make someone lose control and do all > sorts of weird things without any hope or intention of > improving/gaining anything for living it out. > It's chemistry, it changes your consciousness. "Profit" is a bit more > complex and requires a minimum amount of reflection, even if it is > subconscious, short sighted and follows false assumptions. > > So these are just 3 points why your generalization does not work, like > most of those "all people..." phrases. Unless you hack on the > definition until it suits your interpretation, like redefining "profit > intention" to "intention". Thank you for the wonderful answer! > This reminds me of "the user" in computer science papers. Well, which > one. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTB6qKAAoJEFpvPKfnPDWzD5MH/3qVBSactWRWng+x1bT29eP/ > Vsd3pSdP5GJ5JkH8Vj2LAhRJy9feRselI/TnZuXOOT+gTzAT+ip1fgqmIHTkaLEx > Z1a4L5WXEQxTq9aSoaBFzxstont0zb6LWHfW+c8H+V6UTXPUv6ZdGqP+PlLMLpYO > az0KiB09PMa/a3LOzPjhACQ6s1aRo5d4mUqOG91rxh3bOljt6WlMJ61ZEATQGwZt > iZJff4sO0qG9p6YeoZED0ep6QvH4UGkfl3yboiVf08uf9mbGSTnOffe5GSJqeBKo > 9uGK/tJJ4vkYqcEG60pZaqBuIguobzh84rwWg8DGs++Nv9dWbXi7Focpdse/OaU= > =8l+x > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >