Re: OT: 'profit motive' - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

[hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org>]

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Tanstaafl:
> On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
>> thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
>> emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you
>> have never met such a person or have never been in such an
>> environment.
> 
> You are confusing 'intent' with 'result'.

No. You are confusing yourself with the rest of the world.

> 
> Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of cases
> engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I can think
> of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they use/drink, they
> 'profit' in that the feel better (albeit temporarily), regardless
> of the ultimate result.
> 

I wasn't really talking about drug addicts.

If you are interested in real self-destructive behaviour, talk to
someone who has worked in an asylum which is only one interesting
environment that can make you think very different about "people".

There are even people who are not driven by anything, not even
self-destruction. Pure apathy.

Another interesting thing... talk to a trial lawyer who has been in
that business for 10+ years. I really doubt that many of those will
support your "profit intention" concept. Most of the time it's about
short-cut reactions that are merely following instincts or emotional
impulses. Strong emotions can make someone lose control and do all
sorts of weird things without any hope or intention of
improving/gaining anything for living it out.
It's chemistry, it changes your consciousness. "Profit" is a bit more
complex and requires a minimum amount of reflection, even if it is
subconscious, short sighted and follows false assumptions.

So these are just 3 points why your generalization does not work, like
most of those "all people..." phrases. Unless you hack on the
definition until it suits your interpretation, like redefining "profit
intention" to "intention".

This reminds me of "the user" in computer science papers. Well, which one.
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