From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83696138E20 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 237EEE0C7E; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaacfb.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.251]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F60FE0B94 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1AE3E406C for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:08:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=uD1jJGAQZG4bbbAZa+8rdezhcSo=; b=oF+fXkKz3GxH x3Ik7DPshBmb8ree+w9xEzC1fm5xBAy7TKSwqMm4Peos0pS7c7oBapzBbuDRIZMG rR75GYxZ+4q8CW2qtZ7zwKd/ELq5HygpY6tY+LBEQC7KXvhu5a1dDrDd8pCDN6ih syCdtDS9RCrO9UGNjoMANtgwf3BGtKI= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C2BF3E4057 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:08:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530795E8.9010103@libertytrek.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:07:36 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <530646EA.4020300@libertytrek.org> <5306603C.1040602@libertytrek.org> <53078DF7.30603@thegeezer.net> In-Reply-To: <53078DF7.30603@thegeezer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a50fbc4d-cb4c-4cc5-8ebe-6ef9f5f60882 X-Archives-Hash: 083c84ba304cd0a3797cb8c4f8ddce51 On 2014-02-21 12:33 PM, thegeezer wrote: > On 02/20/2014 08:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile >> may just be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for >> example, using eselect... >> >> Something like: >> >> # eselect init list >> Available init systems: >> [1] OpenRC * >> [2] systemd >> [3] runit >> >> (whatever choices are supported). > +1 from here > Personally i'm most likely to stay with openRC, because the switch is > non-trivial and have no faith in the xinetd-style socket arbitrator. > > but would eselect be able to script the following: > .. new kernel coptions > .. new grub2 command line > .. install dbus (use=-systemd)_then_ systemd > .. would be nice to use an import for localed and hostnamed and timedated > .. importing openrc services and runlevels to targets > .. pamd logind entires > .. syslogd changes to accomodate systemd > .. setting systemd to log to syslog to make transitions smoother (as > logs are lost on reboot by default) > > and then the reverse for 'undo' ? Well, there are two aspects to consider: new install (where most of the above are not an issue), and switching back and forth. Only a dev can answer your questions with respect to the latter. Everything Canek and others were saying led me to believe it was more trivial/less work than your questions suggest, so I'll just have to leave the answers to those who know so much more than I...