From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59120138E20 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5463E0F0B; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaabid.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDB6E0EE5 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5BC8638 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=g7vQ9ETaQSsEedmvc/+aQDNHRl0=; b=bRceyLeCZgX6 y/FbBggGjzvoykrItbSSlwYC6DPodIzaFlO5xXidpbbFqXsUZzEdu4qrvVpFjsY/ aMbvjxIhEPF7tdcW8T9QxmcLMamFLXQsrORtAugvVnOCeH4A7Y2VueaoYCyhJg5w KgCPKjtN4//8vfvknz/0UBc0h/8V25Y= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B78C38632 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530783E8.1050502@libertytrek.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:50:48 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: OT: 'profit motive' - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> <52FFCE52.5060401@sporkbox.us> <5306990B.1030506@sporkbox.us> <5306BC47.9080803@sporkbox.us> <5307537F.5020506@libertytrek.org> <530755DE.7060007@sporkbox.us> <530757EE.204@libertytrek.org> <53075A91.2070903@sporkbox.us> <53075CC3.1030104@libertytrek.org> <5307711d.c5670e0a.2915.701e@mx.google.com> <5307772F.2010708@libertytrek.org> <53077D8A.3070402@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <53077D8A.3070402@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a8438a0a-08be-44a2-a402-7354eb5b55b0 X-Archives-Hash: 0460262d0000e0aa91c4746a208596e1 On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell wrote: >> Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding the >> homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things is, the >> 'profit' involved (may) only involve(s) a 'warm fuzzy good >> feeling'. >> >> If you read my previous words, I said it wasn't always (though I >> think it is usually) some kind of 'financial' profit. > You didn't say it, but it feels like you are talking about "personal > profit". If not, then your definition of "profit" is so broad, that it > is almost meaningless. Not at all. The fact is, there are many different ways someone can 'profit'. Another fact is, there has been a concerted effort by some people to poison the meaning, twisting the meaning of financial profit into being something bad, as opposed to what it really is - a very *good* thing (it is a good thing, without it you would DIE). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/profit?sourceid=mozilla Take your pick... they are all valid with respect to my comments, although the one that subtley attempts to create a negative meaning 'to take advantage: to profit from the WEAKNESS of others' bugs me no end... People can engage in good (ethical, honest, etc) or bad (unethical, dishonest, etc) behavior in their pursuit of profit, but it is the *behavior* (ethical/honest or unethical/dishonest) that is good or bad, not the result (profit).