From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:53:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc830S+CVYdCLb0MGgfdYpe4Ynx=X11drRiOmfqY99t8New@mail.gmail.com>
On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl<tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell<lists@sporkbox.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as
>>> the default.
>>
>> Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant...
>>
>> This is about *choice*. Also, I would argue the *opposite of what Canek is
>> saying in this last rant...
> Tanstaafl, can we please not use terms like "rants"? I'm just giving
> my opinion, trying to be respectful and civil to the others
> participants in this thread. I would appreciate if you do the same to
> me.
Sorry, Canek, no offense was intended, but if you go back and re-read
your 'extremely overly enthusiastic' post (this plus the content is why
I referred to it as a 'rant'), while I agree with most everything you
said, your primary point - that it should be the people who *don't* want
systemd doing all of the work - was backwards, and that was what I
wanted to point out.
So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a very
good job of patiently spelling out the advantages of systemd, to the
point I'm no longer afraid of it taking over and devouring the linux world.
That said, in reality, there is (or should be) nothing inherently
insulting about a claim that something you (or anyone) says was a
'rant'. Pretty much everyone I know who has strong opinions on things
like this rants all the time. Sometimes those rants have more
value/substance than others. A good rant will provide lots of
substantive supporting documentation backing up the claims in the rant.
A bad rant just makes a bunch of baseless claims and/or personal attacks.
Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and
hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the systemd
folks to do the work to get systemd fully supported.
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2014-02-15 15:16 [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:01 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:23 ` Mick
2014-02-15 20:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 20:46 ` [gentoo-user] " eroen
2014-02-15 20:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 15:46 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 16:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-16 18:11 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-16 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 5:22 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-17 16:52 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-17 15:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2014-02-17 19:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 3:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 9:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 9:52 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 12:16 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 23:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 7:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:54 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 12:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 22:43 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 15:08 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-16 16:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:31 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 20:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 21:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 17:52 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-17 19:52 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 20:17 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 11:41 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 0:35 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 2:05 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 5:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 13:56 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 18:53 ` the
2014-02-19 10:37 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 8:41 ` the
2014-03-20 16:39 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 17:06 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:07 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:31 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 18:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 19:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 21:33 ` wabenbau
2014-03-20 16:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 7:04 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 7:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 10:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 20:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 9:06 ` Gevisz
2014-02-19 10:19 ` thegeezer
2014-02-19 12:13 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 18:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:00 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 13:09 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 14:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 12:53 ` Tanstaafl [this message]
2014-02-20 15:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 18:18 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 18:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 20:06 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 21:22 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 23:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 0:16 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 1:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 1:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 21:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 22:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 14:32 ` Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 21:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-22 16:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 17:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 18:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 20:33 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 22:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-25 10:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-26 7:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 8:07 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-20 19:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 17:33 ` [gentoo-user] " thegeezer
2014-02-21 18:07 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 20:33 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-22 13:21 ` thegeezer
2014-02-22 13:26 ` thegeezer
2014-03-20 19:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 3:36 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 4:59 ` Dale
2014-02-21 5:53 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 20:00 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:27 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 21:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:48 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-03-21 10:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-25 20:08 ` »Q«
2014-03-25 22:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-25 23:34 ` »Q«
2014-03-26 0:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 21:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 14:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 14:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 14:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-20 20:14 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:25 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:10 ` Dale
2014-03-21 12:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:41 ` Dale
2014-03-21 18:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 0:29 ` Dale
2014-03-25 15:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 15:35 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 17:15 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-26 8:49 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-26 9:13 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-03-21 12:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-03-21 12:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 13:13 ` Poison BL.
2014-03-21 13:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 21:57 ` Walter Dnes
2014-03-21 22:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-21 23:46 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 10:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 10:57 ` Matti Nykyri
2014-03-22 11:08 ` Dale
2014-03-22 12:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 14:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:28 ` luis jure
2014-03-22 15:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 19:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 13:07 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 12:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 23:40 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:35 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-22 15:10 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 17:24 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:49 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 18:23 ` Dale
2014-03-21 19:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 0:28 ` Dale
2014-03-22 9:24 ` Mick
2014-03-22 9:52 ` Dale
2014-02-21 15:20 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 16:05 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-21 21:07 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-18 19:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-21 11:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 16:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:43 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:11 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:36 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:12 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:00 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 5:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:14 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-21 22:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 7:40 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-22 10:38 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 17:21 ` Stroller
2014-02-22 19:36 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 21:39 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 15:28 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-22 17:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 9:54 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 14:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 8:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-19 19:54 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-20 5:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 9:16 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 11:33 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-20 11:53 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 7:03 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-21 8:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 9:59 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 21:03 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 15:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:30 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:27 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:41 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 13:20 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 14:06 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 14:37 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:29 ` Dale
2014-02-16 19:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 19:26 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:55 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 20:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:56 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-18 21:05 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-18 21:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 22:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 0:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 12:57 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:06 ` Mike Gilbert
2014-03-21 11:41 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 12:17 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 12:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-17 15:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:24 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 0:49 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:44 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:28 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 1:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 11:35 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 15:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:24 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 17:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 8:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-18 14:25 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:24 ` gottlieb
2014-02-16 20:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-17 7:01 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-23 13:35 ` Mick
2014-02-23 18:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 22:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-23 23:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 23:12 ` Mick
2014-02-23 23:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 20:54 ` Mick
2014-02-24 21:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 23:15 ` Mick
2014-02-25 12:40 ` Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: " Tanstaafl
2014-02-25 12:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-25 16:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 1:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-24 2:10 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-24 2:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 2:49 ` Poison BL.
2014-02-24 2:30 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 6:37 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 7:11 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 12:39 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 13:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 14:33 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 17:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 18:55 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 20:13 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-26 20:29 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-28 6:47 ` Stroller
2014-02-28 8:05 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-28 13:45 ` Stroller
2014-03-01 11:29 ` Mick
2014-03-21 11:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 20:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 21:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-16 2:09 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2014-02-16 2:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-02-21 0:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 1:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 2:39 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 2:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 3:22 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:24 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 13:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 14:03 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 15:28 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 15:56 ` OT: 'profit motive' - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 16:23 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 16:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 17:17 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 18:05 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 19:35 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 20:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 0:59 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 22:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 22:29 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 7:42 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-21 21:32 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-21 22:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 10:05 ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2014-02-21 22:19 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:48 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 18:49 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
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