Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

["Yuri K. Shatroff" <yks-uno@yandex.ru>]

20.02.2014 09:24, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет:
> [ snip ]
>> but I do not see the point, beyond as a nice gimmick.
>
> Well, I *do* see a point. Many points, actually. You want the logs for
> SSH, from February 12 to February 15? Done:
>
> journalctl  --since=2014-02-12 --until=2014-02-15 -u sshd.service
>
> No grep. No cat. No hunting logrotated logs (the journal will rotate
> automatically its logs, and will search on all logs available). You
> can have second-precision intervals.
 >
> Also, the binary format that the journal uses is indexed (hence the
> binary part); therefore, the search is O(log n), no O(n). With a log
> with a million entries, that's about 20 steps.
>
> Perhaps it's just a gimmick to you. For me is a really usefull

Clearly, it's reinventing a wheel. All that indexing stuff and O(log(n)) 
if really needed is easily achieved with databases.
Not using cat and grep is not something one'd boast; rather, again, a 
waste of resources to recreate already existing tools.
BTW, I wonder if anyone does really have logs with millions of lines in 
one single file, not split into files by date, service etc, so that the 
whole O(n) issue is moot.
Well, maybe it'd be nice to have a collection of log management tools 
all-in-one but beyond that I don't see any advantages of systemd-journald.

> Its raison d'être is the new features it brings.

I didn't notice any new features. It's not features that are new, but 
just a new implementation of old features in a more obtrusive way IMO.

>> Additionally, the use of "tail -f" and "grep" allows me to check the logs
>> real-time for debugging purposes.
>
> journalctl -f
>
> Checks the logs in real time. Again, [1].

Again, a brand new Wheel(c)

> systemctl status apache2.service
>
> (see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
> last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
> check also with the journal, as I showed up.

I believe it would be a 5-minutes job to add the capability of printing 
last N log entries for a service to `rc-service status`. Using cat, grep 
and the like. Not reinventing wheels. Not spending super-talented 
super-highly paid developers' time on doing tasks one had done about 30 
years ago. I believe, not having this option is due to its simple 
uselessness.

This way I really wonder if at some point the super talented systemd 
programmers decide that all shell tools are obsolete and every program 
should know how to index or filter or tail its output in its own, 
though, open, binary format. I can't get rid of the idea that systemd 
uses the MS Windows approach whatever you say about its open source.

-- 
Regards,
Yuri K. Shatroff