From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB923138E20 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA660E0CE1; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaacbh.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.217]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F795E09C4 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F5C400F8605 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:57:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=dhWrHYaKC3cYUVF/xbePN/r7lCE=; b=fwd4uLfDcVtx PkdhoXA+Oa+5MVWugip5xut+Qrmm7BeWN0YYVXnO3xUEj9lDpB4cWX4RYxCNyFMw FBEkRECDJ4UOHpL0dhOepvwmllL4BHQjVG28UBG1KESfobLc34F/7//h54uisla0 /WW+a62QCQSfb6h9hLM5pi2sheImR6w= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4F45400F8604 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:57:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5304AA22.8040104@libertytrek.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:57:06 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010ADB.2070708@yandex.ru> <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530125E0.1080105@googlemail.com> <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> In-Reply-To: <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 45557074-068d-4f43-b2c4-33a8058662a2 X-Archives-Hash: e67cc9d87a2128e62189d8f68af5fb49 On 2014-02-18 4:05 PM, Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler = wrote: > First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped > with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a > binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config > files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsyslo= g > instead. And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I'm stil= l > at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can > be replaced by the good old tools we like and love. Thanks Sebastian. I had pretty much come to this same conclusion without even having tried=20 systemd yet. This, combined with the new knowledge that it is relatively trivial to=20 allow peaceful co-existence for systemd users through the use of=20 profiles, and that these would need to be created and maintained by=20 those who want or need the equivalent systemd version of any given=20 profile, now boils down to one last thing... Getting the Gentoo Council behind this idea, and providing an officially=20 supported - or maybe a better term is *mandated* - process whereby=20 systemd proponents can create and then maintain new systemd versions of=20 any existing profiles. I guess maybe it is time to go open a bug about this? I would be happy to do this, but maybe it would be better if someone who=20 has much more knowledge of the inner workings of the Gentoo Council and=20 whatever process governs things like this to do it?