From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66830138E20 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70BE7E0C6B; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DC96E0C2A for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id hr17so82446lab.6 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:09:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=82Pdf0zq/CPcjL/FJbEax15Yzvijrtxi3fdsFp0qY2Q=; b=ixeMi3FQ2f6ZUKQEE1v5i/dcWVmTBgduM1DbyKszBzEVvUXjfpPOtSpMtgHKZi3Rf/ SscG7deSF6V0Obeij1Z8uclLBOxwX415y/FlXADm9q1vIC3gjjuTHvuDHvPFXpuOSgD1 XRqTmDJex5rEHwu6NhE2h68NYASDc9qH1cMjYKKfNukUkveM6vs+xrFulBUPZJCayTB6 u1kkGd+9YTJZRoKNG+AM6Rqas4/MnaVDM/P9l9oUiz2f+tyxR8yAz3CH4mF7n4B69zlP C7HmP/ZEqfuHc9cVRb29SGS+XQONJuiGtoaKoZZqB5j+Yb/nvoNIcKE1M7szpRTqqTaT yQ/A== X-Received: by 10.152.3.99 with SMTP id b3mr573093lab.61.1392800942531; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h7sm26820229lbj.1.2014.02.19.01.08.59 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:09:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530474ac.8723700a.7e72.4d4a@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:06:55 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie In-Reply-To: <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5e97a034-af85-4785-a6db-d0392f4d926d X-Archives-Hash: 49eccfa7549db17c0090b9a4f7e3cad2 On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko > > wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >>>> Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I > >>>> ask to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate > >>>> systemd profile for those willing to use it. > >>> > >>> Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you > >>> need to use systemd. > >> > >> Or to create a non-systemd profile :) > >=20 > > That's the best response I've read in, like, many years. That's > > perfect; I'm 100% behind it. I even volunteer to help (with testing) > > to anyone going for this. > >=20 > > You guys create a systemd-sucks-we-dont-want-it profile, and I > > promise to give you guys a hand. > >=20 > > Make a profile that "frees" users from using systemd, and I think > > even several Gentoo developers will get behind that. > >=20 > > Now we are talking; this has been my whole point the whole time. > > Everybody that don't want to use systemd; help this idea, and if > > there are enough of you, you'll pulled through. > >=20 > > Regards. > >=20 >=20 > For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen > as the default. Gentoo is one of the last bastions of choice > available to GNU/Linux users and it would create a complete shitstorm > if systemd were pushed on Gentoo's users. You're just trying to push > systemd on one of the few distros that doesn't use it by default. Do > you hang out with John Paul Adrian Glaubitz? He's a Debian developer > who has a long-running history of pushing systemd as well. There is > nothing wrong with systemd as a choice, but to push it as the default > is ridiculous. systemd can have its own profile while the rest of the > world goes on without it. Everybody wins. >=20 > For all this talk about technical details, > nobody seems to notice the marketing A few people including myself have noted it earlier. > that's going on and frankly it disgusts me. And me too.