From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21D7138E35 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A14ECE0B9B; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from darkmetatron.de (rs2.bessler.biz [91.250.87.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77D8AE0B02 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4dd3:406e:0:79a8:168e:a5b8:af57] (2001-4dd3-406e-0-79a8-168e-a5b8-af57.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd3:406e:0:79a8:168e:a5b8:af57]) by darkmetatron.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DB3514EC99 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:05:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:05:13 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U2ViYXN0aWFuIEJlw59sZXI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010ADB.2070708@yandex.ru> <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530125E0.1080105@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <530125E0.1080105@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 0f598497-25c3-4ac0-846d-336f1224c1f9 X-Archives-Hash: 7abd289f2a4cf76494cc88d2d094523c On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Hello List. > and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that you can't > just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it > or not. A few weeks ago I wanted to see what systemd is really like so I started a little test and switched to systemd on my private gentoo desktop system. I don't care what people say, if possible only my personal experience matters. First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsyslog instead. And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I'm still at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can be replaced by the good old tools we like and love. Out of experience I can now say that many of the point said against systemd a just not true. Please everyone, make use of a rainy winter evening, install a virtual maschine with an systemd distribution and look into its options, configurations and workings. Just for the sake of getting rid of all the little wrong statements and rumors. Then we can concentrate on the real issues and problems of systemd. Greetings Sebastian Beßler