From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43CB138BF3 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B988E0CF3; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaabic.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D815E0CA8 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A1752C002 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:32:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=e9Q6opIF7wv0MVjkJrb/Yyb6ScA=; b=JAgjlqfePIvN CEPjDQdiAZfhRXApUcf7x4/+Ge7XaYbrgC56DLhq/q7GY5vsSwJFRnk1VeMK9RFr bJTmn7ZY4VQ4VuMLj9RsGtHx61ZfOYy3u3z/5Okj1ffJVdPW2usiyb0DwYc6RXp7 bMsJ5OAg4/nd4qXhNGP5o8mVEjenCrc= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBDA74F806A for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:32:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5303A715.2090103@libertytrek.org> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:31:49 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <201402152023.10543.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b30e0519-5725-4097-aedd-d9f4dc5a3a27 X-Archives-Hash: 96361d9c18662bd6b909e47c49d58b67 On 2014-02-18 1:14 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s w= rote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko = wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote= : >>>> Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask >>>> to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd >>>> profile for those willing to use it. >>> >>> Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need t= o >>> use systemd. >> >> Or to create a non-systemd profile :) > > That's the best response I've read in, like, many years. That's > perfect; I'm 100% behind it. I even volunteer to help (with testing) > to anyone going for this. Canek, You've referred many times to other programs that *require* systemd. I'm curious as to the extent of these programs, and to what extent they=20 *truly* require systemd. I can't for the life of me think of any reason that server daemons like=20 postfix, dovecot, apache, etc would or could ever *require* systemd. I couldn't care less about gnome (don't use it, never used it, don't=20 wanna use it), but what others are there? Also, for those that do require it, what feature of systemd (that=20 doesn't have an alternative available) is it that the program uses? Thx