From: "Yuri K. Shatroff" <yks-uno@yandex.ru>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:55:58 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <530117CE.2030307@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
On 16.02.2014 23:26, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 16 Feb 2014 19:00:43 Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>> But why then is Linux drifting to systemd? The answer is simple: money.
>> Time is money. You have to support two init systems -> twice the time,
>> twice the money. Sooner or later, a sum of money will outweigh the
>> users' opinion. To be a realist, one has to admit that in near future
>> 90% of new distro versions will be systemd-based. Unless some green soxx
>> emerge and take over Red Hat...
>
>
> You may have lost it in the link that Volker posted (thanks Volker), but this
> comment from HaakonKL probably sums it up:
Sorry, by the time Volker posted his message, I was already writing mine.
> "... I will give Upstart this though: Should something better come along, you
> could replace upstart. I guess this holds true for OpenRC as well.
>
> You can't say that about systemd."
>
> Can you surgically remove systemd in the future without reverse engineering
> half of what the LSB would look at the time, or will its developers ensure
> that this is a one time choice only?
Do you disagree with my statement that "in near future 90% of new distro
versions will be systemd-based"? Or with some other statement of mine?
If the former, then I intentionally put it down to money with no regard
to technical performance because money is usually what ultimately
matters for maintainers.
From a Software User's POV, as I said, I agree that systemd is a load
of bul^W things whose significance is at the least overrated. From a
technical POV, I bet, most systemd's cookies could be implemented within
any other init system as well, if required.
But in the Real World, software users either develop theirs own if they
have the resources, or get what they are given by those who have. So my
whole message was about -- whether OpenRC/upstart/anything guys have
resources to "show'em" or eventually fall to systemd.
--
Best wishes,
Yuri K. Shatroff
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2014-02-15 15:16 [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:01 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:23 ` Mick
2014-02-15 20:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 20:46 ` [gentoo-user] " eroen
2014-02-15 20:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 15:46 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 16:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-16 18:11 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-16 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 5:22 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-17 16:52 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-17 15:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2014-02-17 19:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 3:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 9:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 9:52 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 12:16 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 23:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 7:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:54 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 12:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 22:43 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 15:08 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-16 16:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:31 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 20:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 21:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 17:52 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-17 19:52 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 20:17 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 11:41 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 0:35 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 2:05 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 5:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 13:56 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 18:53 ` the
2014-02-19 10:37 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 8:41 ` the
2014-03-20 16:39 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 17:06 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:07 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:31 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 18:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 19:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 21:33 ` wabenbau
2014-03-20 16:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 7:04 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 7:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 10:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 20:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 9:06 ` Gevisz
2014-02-19 10:19 ` thegeezer
2014-02-19 12:13 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 18:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:00 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 13:09 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 14:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 12:53 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 15:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 18:18 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 18:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 20:06 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 21:22 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 23:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 0:16 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 1:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 1:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 21:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 22:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 14:32 ` Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 21:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-22 16:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 17:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 18:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 20:33 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 22:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-25 10:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-26 7:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 8:07 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-20 19:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 17:33 ` [gentoo-user] " thegeezer
2014-02-21 18:07 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 20:33 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-22 13:21 ` thegeezer
2014-02-22 13:26 ` thegeezer
2014-03-20 19:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 3:36 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 4:59 ` Dale
2014-02-21 5:53 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 20:00 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:27 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 21:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:48 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-03-21 10:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-25 20:08 ` »Q«
2014-03-25 22:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-25 23:34 ` »Q«
2014-03-26 0:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 21:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 14:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 14:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 14:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-20 20:14 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:25 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:10 ` Dale
2014-03-21 12:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:41 ` Dale
2014-03-21 18:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 0:29 ` Dale
2014-03-25 15:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 15:35 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 17:15 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-26 8:49 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-26 9:13 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-03-21 12:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-03-21 12:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 13:13 ` Poison BL.
2014-03-21 13:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 21:57 ` Walter Dnes
2014-03-21 22:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-21 23:46 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 10:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 10:57 ` Matti Nykyri
2014-03-22 11:08 ` Dale
2014-03-22 12:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 14:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:28 ` luis jure
2014-03-22 15:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 19:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 13:07 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 12:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 23:40 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:35 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-22 15:10 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 17:24 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:49 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 18:23 ` Dale
2014-03-21 19:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 0:28 ` Dale
2014-03-22 9:24 ` Mick
2014-03-22 9:52 ` Dale
2014-02-21 15:20 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 16:05 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-21 21:07 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-18 19:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-21 11:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 16:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:43 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:11 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:36 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:12 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:00 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 5:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:14 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-21 22:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 7:40 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-22 10:38 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 17:21 ` Stroller
2014-02-22 19:36 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 21:39 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 15:28 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-22 17:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 9:54 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 14:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 8:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-19 19:54 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-20 5:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 9:16 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 11:33 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-20 11:53 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 7:03 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-21 8:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 9:59 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 21:03 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 15:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:30 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:27 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:41 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 13:20 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 14:06 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 14:37 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:29 ` Dale
2014-02-16 19:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 19:26 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:55 ` Yuri K. Shatroff [this message]
2014-02-16 20:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:56 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-18 21:05 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-18 21:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 22:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 0:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 12:57 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:06 ` Mike Gilbert
2014-03-21 11:41 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 12:17 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 12:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-17 15:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:24 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 0:49 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:44 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:28 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 1:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 11:35 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 15:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:24 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 17:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 8:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-18 14:25 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:24 ` gottlieb
2014-02-16 20:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-17 7:01 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-23 13:35 ` Mick
2014-02-23 18:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 22:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-23 23:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 23:12 ` Mick
2014-02-23 23:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 20:54 ` Mick
2014-02-24 21:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 23:15 ` Mick
2014-02-25 12:40 ` Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: " Tanstaafl
2014-02-25 12:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-25 16:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 1:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-24 2:10 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-24 2:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 2:49 ` Poison BL.
2014-02-24 2:30 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 6:37 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 7:11 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 12:39 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 13:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 14:33 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 17:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 18:55 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 20:13 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-26 20:29 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-28 6:47 ` Stroller
2014-02-28 8:05 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-28 13:45 ` Stroller
2014-03-01 11:29 ` Mick
2014-03-21 11:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 20:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 21:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-16 2:09 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2014-02-16 2:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-02-21 0:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 1:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 2:39 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 2:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 3:22 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:24 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 13:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 14:03 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 15:28 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 15:56 ` OT: 'profit motive' - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 16:23 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 16:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 17:17 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 18:05 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 19:35 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 20:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 0:59 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 22:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 22:29 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 7:42 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-21 21:32 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-21 22:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 10:05 ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2014-02-21 22:19 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:48 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 18:49 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
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