From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09CC138BF3 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BAD4E0B33; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54A70E0A83 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.184.212.82] (85-76-181-69-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.181.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D86F33F82B for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5300FF41.7050004@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:11:13 +0200 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> <201402152023.10543.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <5300EA3A.5020801@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5300EA3A.5020801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: c9a5abb6-f491-4b71-8c27-59c428793722 X-Archives-Hash: 0b51581650b429dfbb075a646964a764 On 16/02/14 18:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 16/02/2014 17:46, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2014-02-15 3:32 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> For Slackware, I have no idea. For Debian, no the only options were[1]: >>> >>> 1. sysvinit (status quo) >>> 2. systemd >>> 3. upstart >>> 4. openrc (experimental) >>> 5. One system on Linux, something else on non-linux >>> 6. multiple >>> >>> It should also be noted that no one in the TC voted OpenRC above >>> systemd AND upstart, and that while a couple voted systemd below >>> everything else, it can be argued that it was a tactical vote. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> [1]https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ >> I would really, really, REALLY like to see a thorough, civil debate >> involving those far more knowledgeable than I on the pros and cons of >> systemd vs OpenRC... >> >> As it seems to me, the Debian OpenRC page says that the cons are not >> nearly as large as the systemd proponents would have us believe. >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc > > I don't know much about systemd, I do know openrc. > > Thus far, the only real actual benefit I have seen of systemd that is a > real issue that really affects me is consolekit. It's not exactly the > best piece of software out there, comparable to HAL and how it was > replaced by udev. So systemd replaces and fixes consolekit by providing > logind. ConsoleKit works just fine for the features it advertises to have, where as HAL never did, so I really don't know what you are referring to?