Re: [gentoo-user] Re: going from systemd to udev

[Poncho <poncho@spahan.ch>]

On 05.02.2014 01:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:27 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02/04/2014 02:29 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 04 2014, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/04/2014 01:58 PM, Joseph wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to go from "systemd" to "udev"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the way systemd works.  I have a problem with mounting USB
>>>>> sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission.
>>>>> I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming
>>>>> faxes and now these emails are empty.
>>>>> It all start happening after switching to systemd :-(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> systemd and udev are part of the same project, so I believe what you
>>>> meant was switching from systemd to OpenRC. I've not made such a switch,
>>>> but if you remember the steps you took, you can generally just reverse
>>>> them. That is, emerge openrc again, change the kernel line in GRUB to
>>>> point to regular init instead of systemd's init, reboot, and things
>>>> *should* fall into place.
>>>>
>>>> USB drives mounting as root sounds like a udev thing rather than a
>>>> systemd thing, and switching to OpenRC for your init won't fix it afaik.
>>>> For the devices that you need this behavior for, it might be worth
>>>> looking into writing some udev rules. You can get a start by consulting
>>>> `lsusb` output and Googling for 'udev rules' to get a wide variety of
>>>> guides for writing udev rules. Despite the recent changes to udev by the
>>>> systemd team, udev still functions mostly the same and most guides will
>>>> be accurate.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> ~Daniel
>>>
>>> There are changes in USE.   -systemd +consolekit
>>> If you switched to a systemd profile, switch back.
>>
>> I'm sure that unsetting the consolekit useflag (when I switched to systemd)
>> resulted in some non-MicroSoft behavior, e.g. I now need to authenticate as
>> root when plugging or ejecting a USB stick, and yet again when I poweroff or
>> reboot the machine
> 
> This does not happen with GNOME 3. At all. The only time I'm asked for
> my root password is when I add or remove a printer, and
> app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome has been doing this since the
> very beginning. I'm still hoping that someone fix that thing.
> 
>> Being the only user of this machine, I could work up some outrage over this
>> new PITA -- but I've decided not to be outraged.  I pretend to be a sysadmin
>> and imagine how I would feel if an arbitrary user demanded the ability to
>> plug any arbitrary USB stick into his corporate workstation.
>>
>> Well, I'm not a corporate sysadmin, and never will be, but I think I'd be
>> reluctant to let him do it.
>>
>> Any official sysadmins out there have an infallible opinion to offer?
> 
> With GNOME+systemd (and therefore, logind), the seat0 user gets
> ownership of all removable devices (except printers, see above), and
> the hardware buttons (poweroff, reset, suspend, etc.) No root password
> asked. Ever.
> 
> You can see your seat with loginctl; if your seat is not seat0, that's
> why your password is being asked. If it's seat0, then something else
> is going on. Do you have pam_systemd.so enabled in /etc/pam.d?
> 
> Regards.
> 

Concerning the printer permissions, see
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466338