From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CEF138247 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 01:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0F51E0AE7; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B780E08E1 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 01:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id z12so14440359wgg.15 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:21:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tHqZ3YTnHqXPbPI01agPUDfks8SZRCt92zazcLwTdso=; b=kLgnIThSEhT5QK71wSP0L7cOmjMsroNVXIBHRCQrV3gCKiIbLrFmMjv5AmHE1UbZ9k QpTjQgKx4cMePRZkHh24b+Z+0/P/iXkrfUco7EsWGPUJ+dQ23Sr03qucuLPsWpZbYbvr 1sxEBfJPgZnmeHb4ilgoO6baDwnIiuczpMRbyZtqMOowB6UR+FpI4BbB4j4SATBVkhVy TfN69TEF0cZkPwp8LRTC8ERtI1F945x3KeAPruiy8xkGJXII/XTo3j+gKTQHExFw9ZT2 RCzcY5PMp1ndPk8mUClYZnTa2Ceb65FnWaURnAGASx8BGYc0yCO2hO7lI8olYX7O1WM7 TPGw== X-Received: by 10.194.20.130 with SMTP id n2mr188691wje.62.1388884914392; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-210-126-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.126.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cx3sm10374948wib.0.2014.01.04.17.21.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:21:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52C8B38C.9050505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 03:21:16 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Preparing a shared USB stick References: <52C65C99.5080208@gmail.com> <52C89CE0.4080900@gmail.com> <52C8AA90.3010600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52C8AA90.3010600@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 814f235d-a382-49fc-b699-6b5f8d6cee56 X-Archives-Hash: cbe9a4dffc9bb82e006f0b094a837546 On 05/01/2014 02:42, walt wrote: > On 01/04/2014 03:44 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> FAT was designed for MS-DOS where you put a floppy in the drive and you >> had full access to everything on it. There was no need to implement >> security. > > I think the operative phrase is "there was no need" back when Gates and > Allen trained the world to accept failure as good enough. > > > > I don't think so. This was back in the early 80s remember and PCs were a new novelty. The thing to compare them to was paper records and we all know bits of paper have no inherent security attributes. If you want to secure them, keep them in a space with a lock. To secure a PC and it's floppies, store them in a space with a lock. And then there's the hardware, those things ran on 8086 chips. Not bad for the time, but not exactly heavy on cpu grunt. You can't seriously be pushing the line that MS promotes failure. gates and Allen had the balls to get a working pc to market that put one on every office desk and made computing ubiquitous. Sure, if they didn't do it someone else would have, but they are the guys that did when no-one else had managed. Think Amstrad, Sinclair, early Commodore. Even the Beeb, awesome as it was, tanked completely. It's all very easy for us to sit back today and play monday morning fullback but in those days hardly anyone had a clue about security or how to do it. The guys who did know were the mainframe and mini guys, and that model didn't translate to what the PC was meant for. Hey, I like to bash MS as much as the next guy (IE6 is a crime that shall never be forgiven) but I do think we should bash MS for things they deserve, not so much for things they don't. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com