[gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Philip Webb]

My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
& the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
>
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
>


I usually refer to the hplip website for HP printers.  Here is the
printer you mentioned.

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet_aio/deskjet_2510_series.html


Based on that, it should work.  That printer actually has better support
than my current printer.  Go figure. 

Hope that helps. 

Dale 

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Daniel Frey]

On 12/10/2013 06:01 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> 
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
> 

I got tired of dried out cartridges years ago, and bought a Dell colour
laser. It was humongous, I got rid of it last year. Then about two
months later I went to print something and went "Oh, yeah..."

I found a HP colour laserjet on sale for $145 (it was actually cheaper
than the entry level HP B&W lasers at the time) and hooked it up using
hplip. That's probably a lot more than an inkjet, but if it costs you
$50 a page due to dried ink, a couple of times pays for a laser.

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_cp1025.html

At least I don't have to worry about cartridges drying up, and this
printer is a LOT smaller than the one I had.

As a bonus, I found out KitKat can print to this printer using the
included HP drivers, if that's an issue for you. Was weird printing a
recipe from my phone!

Dan

[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[eroen]

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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:01:29 -0500
Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> 
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

I got a cheap (bw) HP LaserJet p1005 half a decade ago. It works well
with the drivers from http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ , which lets me avoid
using the bloated hplip mess (I tried that when I got the printer, it
didn't work with network printing and required a running X session).

It looks like the printer you mentioned only works with hplip. If hplip
is acceptable to you, that is great, otherwise I would suggest looking
for a different model that is either natively supported by cups or
supported by the foo2X drivers or other similarly non-intrusive drivers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:38:15 +0100, eroen wrote:

> I got a cheap (bw) HP LaserJet p1005 half a decade ago. It works well
> with the drivers from http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ , which lets me avoid
> using the bloated hplip mess (I tried that when I got the printer, it
> didn't work with network printing and required a running X session).

HPLIP does not require X, I've used it on a headless server. I used to
use foo2zjs but HPLIP gained support for my printer (a LaserJet 1020
IIRC) so I dropped it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Daniel Pielmeier]

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2013/12/11 Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net>
>
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
>
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
>

Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does
not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and
second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is
no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not
under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically
download and install the plugin which often fails.

[1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html
[2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Dale]

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Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
> 2013/12/11 Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net
> <mailto:purslow@ca.inter.net>>
> >
> > My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> > & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> > I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> >
> > The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
> >
> > Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
> >
>
> Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which
> does not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of
> trouble and second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo
> which means there is no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin
> installation currently is not under contol of the package manager and
> hplip tries to automagically download and install the plugin which
> often fails.
>
> [1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html
> [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439
>
> -- 
> Regards
> Daniel


I been using hplip for a long time.  I never had any issue installing
it.  The only bug I ever had was when it would lock up and not work.  I
went back to a older version and hit the next update.  It worked fine. 

I guess my mileage varies.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-)

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[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[James]

Daniel Pielmeier <billie <at> gentoo.org> writes:


>> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?>

This thread has identified the software (driver) issues for you.
Imho, all HP's work one way or another. Laser* is far superior to
ink* desk*..... Brother printers, are a project to get
working under Gentoo. Not sure if the sproradic driver coverage
for Brother printers has been fixed/addressed.

Check out the price of replacement cartridges, as over time that will
define the cost of ownership. Also check out the power consumption
while printing (if you print a lot), during standby and in "off" mode.
Many printers still draw power when in the off position (get an amp
meter to check this).... I keep all but one printer on a power strip
and drop power to them all, via the mechanical spdt switch on the power
strip, except when needed (several specialty printers).

Never plug a printer into a UPS, unless it has double  the capacity of the
"in-rush" (powering up the fuser) of the printer. Some printers draw some
serious currents when powering up (10 amps or more) or briefly when
printing.

The newer HP laser printer models will be the most power efficient.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:27:44PM +0100, Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
> 2013/12/11 Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net>
> >
> > My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> > & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> > I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> >
> > The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
> 
> Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does
> not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and
> second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is
> no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not
> under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically
> download and install the plugin which often fails.

I never came to like Ink-squirters. All the mess with dried up print
heads, planned-obsolescence and ink more expensive than blood.

I am also quite tired of hplip. At some point foo2zjs was masked in
portage (never bothered finding out why), so I had to migrate. Hplip is
just another thing that puts itself into the tray, but needs cups
nonetheless. The download of the printer plugin (or rather, its
installation) fails b/c it needs python 2, but doesn't explicitly state
that. So if you have python 3 as your system version, the python script
fails.

I have a laserjet 1000, bought in 2004, it's even still got the original
cartridge. It may not be fast and has no duplex mode, but it suits my
needs.
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[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
>
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

Unless you want to print little other than photos on glossy paper, go
with a laser printer.  I bought an HP LaserJet 1200 about 13 years
ago. It still works as good as it did the first day I used it, and I
just had to buy my first toner cartridge last year (approx $100).

In the meantime, my parents have gone through at least 4 inkjet
printers and probably $1000 worth of ink cartridges (and the last time
I was there it looked like their latest inkjet was in its death
throes).

I've also had excellent experience with Brother laser printers.

Until a handful of years ago, I would have refused to buy a non
postscript printer, but in the past 5-10 years, CUPs and foomatic have
gotten pretty good at dealing with the other common printer languages.

But I still wouldn't take an inkjet printer if you gave it to me for
free.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[Philip Webb]

131211 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
>> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
>> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> Unless you want to print little other than photos on glossy paper,
> go with a laser printer.  I bought an HP LaserJet 1200  c 13 years ago.
> It still works as good as it did the first day I used it
> and I just had to buy my first toner cartridge last year (approx $100).
> In the meantime, my parents have gone through at least 4 inkjet printers
> and probably $1000 worth of ink cartridges (and the last time I was there
> it looked like their latest inkjet was in its death throes).
> I've also had excellent experience with Brother laser printers.
> Until a handful of years ago, I would have refused to buy
> a non-postscript printer, but in the past 5-10 years, CUPs and foomatic
> have gotten pretty good at dealing with other common printer languages.
> I still wouldn't take an inkjet printer if you gave it to me for free.

Thanks for this & the other replies.

The local store has on sale a Brother HL-2240D Monochrome Laser Printer,
  24 PPM Mono, 2400 x 600 DPI, Duplex Printing, USB Connectivity.

Any further comments from anyone ?  Can I assume it will work with Linux ?

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[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> Thanks for this & the other replies.
>
> The local store has on sale a Brother HL-2240D Monochrome Laser Printer,
>   24 PPM Mono, 2400 x 600 DPI, Duplex Printing, USB Connectivity.
>
> Any further comments from anyone? 

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro

> Can I assume it will work with Linux?

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2240

It looks like it works fine, but possibly uses a binary driver module
from Brother.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 12/11/2013 03:01:29 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
> 
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

Have a look at Kyocera printers.
Privately and at our institute we have only the best experiences with  
Kyocera printers.
I have an FS 1028 MFP,

it's a reasonably fast b&w laser printer. It has a duplex unit for
printing AND scanning and copying.

It scans b&w as well as color sheets.

It can be connected via USB and LAN.

I have a LAN at home and can print from my Android phone wirelessly.

Kyocera has the cheapest cost per print.

I would buy it again immediately if necessary.

Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 11.12.2013 03:01, schrieb Philip Webb:
> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
> & the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
> I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
>
> The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
>
yes, get a laser printer. They are cheap and there is no ink to dry up.

Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

[Thomas Mueller]

from Philip Webb:

> My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
& the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
        
The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
        
Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

I lean toward Brother from what I hear and from my long-ago experience with 
Brother AX-26 word-processing daisywheel typewriter.

My experience with HP LaserJet M1212nf MFP and their technical support is unfavorable.

Their tech support was offshored to India, and there was much difficulty in being understood, both ways, over the telephone.

I still haven't succeeded in setting it up.

Maybe the assumptions about file system structure are Linux-based and cause failure in NetBSD and FreeBSD.

Or maybe the printer is a turkey.

This caused me strong aversion to buying anything in the future from HP.

What other printer brands require a special package such as hplip for Linux and BSD?

Tom