[gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Marc Stürmer]

Greetings,

I've got a strange behaviour since a couple of weeks.

When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell, the 
terminal does not close itself anymore.

Already changed the shell - no change at all.

Also does Ctrl+Z not work anymore, to bring the process running in the 
foreground into the background.

When trying Ctrl+Z on the text console it is the same.

Since I am somewhat confused about that kind of behaviour and where to 
fix it - any ideas to get it back working properly?

Thanks in advance.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[meino.cramer]

Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> [13-11-24 15:16]:
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got a strange behaviour since a couple of weeks.
> 
> When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell, 
> the terminal does not close itself anymore.
> 
> Already changed the shell - no change at all.
> 
> Also does Ctrl+Z not work anymore, to bring the process running in the 
> foreground into the background.
> 
> When trying Ctrl+Z on the text console it is the same.
> 
> Since I am somewhat confused about that kind of behaviour and where to 
> fix it - any ideas to get it back working properly?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 

Hi,

check wether the problem is related to the shell/terminal or
to keyboard related things:

In a terminal type 

    cat <return>

Then press a couple of CTRL/<something> keys except ^D.

If you can see -- for example -- ^E when pressing CTRL-E,
then the control codes are received by the shell/terminal,
therefore keyboard related things are not to blame.

If so check the shell init files for remapping the keycodes.
Maybe revdep rebuild will show a library, which is used by
the shell was updated but the shell was not rebuild.
Or something like that.

Only a shot in the dark...

Good luck!
Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Marc Stürmer]

> If you can see -- for example -- ^E when pressing CTRL-E,
> then the control codes are received by the shell/terminal,
> therefore keyboard related things are not to blame.

Well yes this works.

> If so check the shell init files for remapping the keycodes.
> Maybe revdep rebuild will show a library, which is used by
> the shell was updated but the shell was not rebuild.
> Or something like that.

Ok, looking after that, thanks for the input.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[meino.cramer]

Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> [13-11-24 17:12]:
> >If you can see -- for example -- ^E when pressing CTRL-E,
> >then the control codes are received by the shell/terminal,
> >therefore keyboard related things are not to blame.
> 
> Well yes this works.
> 
> >If so check the shell init files for remapping the keycodes.
> >Maybe revdep rebuild will show a library, which is used by
> >the shell was updated but the shell was not rebuild.
> >Or something like that.
> 
> Ok, looking after that, thanks for the input.
> 
> 
> 

You're welcome! :)
Best regards
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Randy Barlow]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:14:33 +0100
Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> wrote: 
> When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell,
> the terminal does not close itself anymore.

Hi Marc,

Did you find out what was causing this issue? I've been experiencing it
as well in my Gnome 2 system (gnome-terminal). I haven't put much
effort into figuring out what is happening, but I'm curious now that I
know it has affected someone else as well.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Marc Stürmer]

Am 25.11.2013 15:15, schrieb Randy Barlow:

> Did you find out what was causing this issue? I've been experiencing it
> as well in my Gnome 2 system (gnome-terminal). I haven't put much
> effort into figuring out what is happening, but I'm curious now that I
> know it has affected someone else as well.

Not yet, e.g. Xfce Terminal 0.6.X works as I want it, version 0.4.8 does 
not. Mate Terminal also does not. Still diggin'!

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Peter Weilbacher]

On 2013-11-25 17:15, Marc Stürmer wrote:
> Am 25.11.2013 15:15, schrieb Randy Barlow:
> 
>> Did you find out what was causing this issue? I've been experiencing 
>> it
>> as well in my Gnome 2 system (gnome-terminal). I haven't put much
>> effort into figuring out what is happening, but I'm curious now that I
>> know it has affected someone else as well.
> 
> Not yet, e.g. Xfce Terminal 0.6.X works as I want it, version 0.4.8
> does not. Mate Terminal also does not. Still diggin'!

Don't have Mate, but I can otherwise confirm this behavior: xfce 
terminal works, gnome-terminal does weird things.

One more thing that happens to me is that apparently gnome-terminal does 
not notify console apps of new window size. For me this happens to 
Alpine. (The only reason why I didn't simply switch to xfce terminal is 
that there I cannot switch off the scrollbar with parameters.)

I found about the time when this started happening, x11-libs/vte was 
updated on my system. I tried downgrading it but that didn't change 
anything.

    Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Marc Stürmer]

Zitat von Peter Weilbacher <newsspam@weilbacher.org>:

> Don't have Mate, but I can otherwise confirm this behavior: xfce  
> terminal works, gnome-terminal does weird things.
>
> One more thing that happens to me is that apparently gnome-terminal  
> does not notify console apps of new window size. For me this happens  
> to Alpine. (The only reason why I didn't simply switch to xfce  
> terminal is that there I cannot switch off the scrollbar with  
> parameters.)

Well I've found one possibility for that strange behaviour could be  
the proprietary Nvidia driver. There's already some bug open in the  
Gentoo Bugtracker.

Downgraded from 331 to 319, but it did not really change at all, so  
still diggin'!

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Dale]

Marc Stürmer wrote:
> Zitat von Peter Weilbacher <newsspam@weilbacher.org>:
>
>> Don't have Mate, but I can otherwise confirm this behavior: xfce
>> terminal works, gnome-terminal does weird things.
>>
>> One more thing that happens to me is that apparently gnome-terminal
>> does not notify console apps of new window size. For me this happens
>> to Alpine. (The only reason why I didn't simply switch to xfce
>> terminal is that there I cannot switch off the scrollbar with
>> parameters.)
>
> Well I've found one possibility for that strange behaviour could be
> the proprietary Nvidia driver. There's already some bug open in the
> Gentoo Bugtracker.
>
> Downgraded from 331 to 319, but it did not really change at all, so
> still diggin'!
>
>
>


I have found this one to be the most stable driver. 

x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-304.116 

You may want to give it a shot. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Marc Stürmer]

Zitat von Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> I have found this one to be the most stable driver.
>
> x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-304.116

I am going to give it a shot when I am back home on my own computer.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Dale]

Marc Stürmer wrote:
> Zitat von Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>
>> I have found this one to be the most stable driver.
>>
>> x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-304.116
>
> I am going to give it a shot when I am back home on my own computer.
>
>
>

These are the ones I have tried but they have issues. 

[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-310.51:0
[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30:0
[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.49:0
[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.60:0
[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-325.15:0
[-P-] [M ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-331.20:0

Each time I try a new one and it doesn't work, I mask it.  It's been a
while.  Since you found a bug report, maybe they will fix it soon. 
Maybe.  Oh, it seems to get worse with each new version too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Peter Weilbacher]

On 2013-11-26 13:20, Marc Stürmer wrote:
> Zitat von Peter Weilbacher <newsspam@weilbacher.org>:
> 
>> One more thing that happens to me is that apparently gnome-terminal  
>> does not notify console apps of new window size. For me this happens  
>> to Alpine. (The only reason why I didn't simply switch to xfce  
>> terminal is that there I cannot switch off the scrollbar with  
>> parameters.)
> 
> Well I've found one possibility for that strange behaviour could be
> the proprietary Nvidia driver. There's already some bug open in the
> Gentoo Bugtracker.
> 
> Downgraded from 331 to 319, but it did not really change at all, so
> still diggin'!

Yes, my Alpine-related problem was solved by downgrading the NVidia 
driver from 331.20 to 331.17. The problem with the terminals that don't 
want to close on Ctrl-D stays the same. (I also tried 331.13 but that 
didn't help. And the problem started to appear after Oct 7th for me 
which is when I installed 331.13.)

    Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Chris Stankevitz]

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> wrote:
> When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell, the
> terminal does not close itself anymore.

I had the same problem and fixed it with:

  echo =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-331.20 >> /etc/portage/package.mask

This downgraded me to:

  x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-325.15  USE="X acpi (multilib) tools -pax_kernel"

Chris

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Mick]

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On Friday 29 Nov 2013 16:39:11 Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> wrote:
> > When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell, the
> > terminal does not close itself anymore.
> 
> I had the same problem and fixed it with:
> 
>   echo =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-331.20 >> /etc/portage/package.mask
> 
> This downgraded me to:
> 
>   x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-325.15  USE="X acpi (multilib) tools
> -pax_kernel"

I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing problems 
and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with radeon, which 
has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can remember.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 29 Nov 2013 19:43:49 Mick wrote:

> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing problems
> and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with radeon, which
> has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can remember.

Nouveau works as it should here, and I think it always has. The two snags I 
know of are that it doesn't allow access to the graphics hardware by, e.g., 
BOINC, and that it doesn't have hardware 3D acceleration. The latter doesn't 
bother me at all, though CUDA would have been useful.

-- 
Regards,
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Chris Stankevitz]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing problems
> and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with radeon, which
> has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can remember.

Mick,

I've been running nvidia-drivers on my Gentoo laptop for three years
and have two major problems:

1. Any particular nvidia driver version is only compatible with only
certain kernel versions.  This condition is due to the way the NVIDIA
driver works.  Gentoo portage was just not designed to handle such a
rule "package x requires kernel y" so it is left to us users to deal
with via masks.  For some reason (?) I only had to deal with this rule
during the period ~July 2013 - October 2013.

2. The latest stable version of the nvidia drivers do not allow
gnome-terminal windows to close.  This problem too just started
happening after years of trouble-free gnome-terminal closing.

It is frustrating... but I'm stuck with NVIDIA-drivers because I use
CUDA.  If 1) this sort of thing bothers you and 2) radeon doesn't have
similar problems, then by all means please switch to radeon and let us
know how it goes!

PS: Installing the CUDA runtime and SDK is easier on Gentoo than on
any other linux distro.

Chris

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Dale]

Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing problems
>> and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with radeon, which
>> has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can remember.
> Mick,
>
> I've been running nvidia-drivers on my Gentoo laptop for three years
> and have two major problems:
>
> 1. Any particular nvidia driver version is only compatible with only
> certain kernel versions.  This condition is due to the way the NVIDIA
> driver works.  Gentoo portage was just not designed to handle such a
> rule "package x requires kernel y" so it is left to us users to deal
> with via masks.  For some reason (?) I only had to deal with this rule
> during the period ~July 2013 - October 2013.
>
> 2. The latest stable version of the nvidia drivers do not allow
> gnome-terminal windows to close.  This problem too just started
> happening after years of trouble-free gnome-terminal closing.
>
> It is frustrating... but I'm stuck with NVIDIA-drivers because I use
> CUDA.  If 1) this sort of thing bothers you and 2) radeon doesn't have
> similar problems, then by all means please switch to radeon and let us
> know how it goes!
>
> PS: Installing the CUDA runtime and SDK is easier on Gentoo than on
> any other linux distro.
>
> Chris
>
>

I to have been using Nvidia video cards for years with little problem. 
Lately tho, my motto has started showing.  If it ain't working, switch
to something else.  I like Nvidia cards but if they won't work right,
that's a problem. 

Mick, if you switch, let us know how it went.  I know at one time Radeon
cards were a nightmare.  That was a while back tho.  No clue on current
things although I hear about less problems too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Mick]

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On Friday 29 Nov 2013 21:34:04 Dale wrote:
> Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing
> >> problems and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with
> >> radeon, which has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can
> >> remember.
> > 
> > Mick,
> > 
> > I've been running nvidia-drivers on my Gentoo laptop for three years
> > and have two major problems:
> > 
> > 1. Any particular nvidia driver version is only compatible with only
> > certain kernel versions.  This condition is due to the way the NVIDIA
> > driver works.  Gentoo portage was just not designed to handle such a
> > rule "package x requires kernel y" so it is left to us users to deal
> > with via masks.  For some reason (?) I only had to deal with this rule
> > during the period ~July 2013 - October 2013.
> > 
> > 2. The latest stable version of the nvidia drivers do not allow
> > gnome-terminal windows to close.  This problem too just started
> > happening after years of trouble-free gnome-terminal closing.
> > 
> > It is frustrating... but I'm stuck with NVIDIA-drivers because I use
> > CUDA.  If 1) this sort of thing bothers you and 2) radeon doesn't have
> > similar problems, then by all means please switch to radeon and let us
> > know how it goes!
> > 
> > PS: Installing the CUDA runtime and SDK is easier on Gentoo than on
> > any other linux distro.
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> I to have been using Nvidia video cards for years with little problem.
> Lately tho, my motto has started showing.  If it ain't working, switch
> to something else.  I like Nvidia cards but if they won't work right,
> that's a problem.
> 
> Mick, if you switch, let us know how it went.  I know at one time Radeon
> cards were a nightmare.  That was a while back tho.  No clue on current
> things although I hear about less problems too.
> 
> Dale

Sorry, I seem to not have made myself clear:  I always have owned ati-radeon 
cards, for reasons of pure coincidence I guess.  I remember having some 
problems with the (very) early radeon driver but for the best part of 10 years 
now and multiple PCs I have not really had any problems.  I don't play games 
and do not use blender or any 3D intensive software.  Friends who play games 
swear by NVidia and won't use anything else.

I am about to build a new rig and have been flirting with the idea of going 
NVidia this time.  I'm not sure CUDA will make a noticeable difference (will 
it?  on a quad core CPU?) so if I go for NVidia it will be because it is a new 
thing for me to try.  However, with all these reports of problems here and in 
other forums I am having second thoughts ...
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Alan McKinnon]

On 29/11/2013 21:43, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 29 Nov 2013 16:39:11 Chris Stankevitz wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Marc Stürmer <mail@marc-stuermer.de> wrote:
>>> When working under X11 in a terminal and I type "exit" in the shell, the
>>> terminal does not close itself anymore.
>>
>> I had the same problem and fixed it with:
>>
>>   echo =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-331.20 >> /etc/portage/package.mask
>>
>> This downgraded me to:
>>
>>   x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-325.15  USE="X acpi (multilib) tools
>> -pax_kernel"
> 
> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing problems 
> and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with radeon, which 
> has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can remember.
> 

nVidia's stuff is not too bad actually, and nouveau is adequate for a
desktop if you don't need fancy 3D.

Two things give nVidia a bad rap (both unfairly IMHO)

1. The latest greatest drivers do often give trouble. What nVidia
considers stable is not what the world considers stable, it's better
described as "good enough to be released for testing".IOW about the same
as ~arch. Graphics hardware is hard to test, there's just so many of
them, so many code paths and so many X-server versions out there. nVidia
usually gets it right eventually, where "eventually" is definitely
"longer than one week"

2. They drop support quite early in current drivers for old cards and
relegate it to legacy drivers. This is their marketing strategy, they
chase the latest and greatest (it's a fast moving market and if you
snooze you lose). If your card is old enough to have no realistic
support at all, there's Nouveau.

So basically it a lot like the kernel. If you want the latest stuff, use
the latest driver and deal with any fallout. If you want stability, stay
two versions behind at least

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/11/2013 00:55, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 29 Nov 2013 21:34:04 Dale wrote:
>> Chris Stankevitz wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm reading all these messages about Nvidia driver versions causing
>>>> problems and I'm wondering if for my next box I should just stick with
>>>> radeon, which has not really given me any trouble for as long as I can
>>>> remember.
>>>
>>> Mick,
>>>
>>> I've been running nvidia-drivers on my Gentoo laptop for three years
>>> and have two major problems:
>>>
>>> 1. Any particular nvidia driver version is only compatible with only
>>> certain kernel versions.  This condition is due to the way the NVIDIA
>>> driver works.  Gentoo portage was just not designed to handle such a
>>> rule "package x requires kernel y" so it is left to us users to deal
>>> with via masks.  For some reason (?) I only had to deal with this rule
>>> during the period ~July 2013 - October 2013.
>>>
>>> 2. The latest stable version of the nvidia drivers do not allow
>>> gnome-terminal windows to close.  This problem too just started
>>> happening after years of trouble-free gnome-terminal closing.
>>>
>>> It is frustrating... but I'm stuck with NVIDIA-drivers because I use
>>> CUDA.  If 1) this sort of thing bothers you and 2) radeon doesn't have
>>> similar problems, then by all means please switch to radeon and let us
>>> know how it goes!
>>>
>>> PS: Installing the CUDA runtime and SDK is easier on Gentoo than on
>>> any other linux distro.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> I to have been using Nvidia video cards for years with little problem.
>> Lately tho, my motto has started showing.  If it ain't working, switch
>> to something else.  I like Nvidia cards but if they won't work right,
>> that's a problem.
>>
>> Mick, if you switch, let us know how it went.  I know at one time Radeon
>> cards were a nightmare.  That was a while back tho.  No clue on current
>> things although I hear about less problems too.
>>
>> Dale
> 
> Sorry, I seem to not have made myself clear:  I always have owned ati-radeon 
> cards, for reasons of pure coincidence I guess.  I remember having some 
> problems with the (very) early radeon driver but for the best part of 10 years 
> now and multiple PCs I have not really had any problems.  I don't play games 
> and do not use blender or any 3D intensive software.  Friends who play games 
> swear by NVidia and won't use anything else.
> 
> I am about to build a new rig and have been flirting with the idea of going 
> NVidia this time.  I'm not sure CUDA will make a noticeable difference (will 
> it?  on a quad core CPU?) so if I go for NVidia it will be because it is a new 
> thing for me to try.  However, with all these reports of problems here and in 
> other forums I am having second thoughts ...
> 


CUDA isn't a magic drop-in replacement for a CPU with added go-fast stripes.

Code is written to use CUDA. if not, it can't use it.

Your question should be "Do you intend to use software that is written
for and will benefit from CUDA"?

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> So basically it a lot like the kernel. If you want the latest stuff,
> use the latest driver and deal with any fallout. If you want
> stability, stay two versions behind at least 

I'm currently like 6 versions behind.  ;-)  In the years I have been
using Nvidia, this is the fist time I have had to run this far behind. 
Maybe a newer kernel would help but that has a issue of its own.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Terminals not closing after exit anymore

[Chris Stankevitz]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure CUDA will make a noticeable difference (will
> it?

You will not notice CUDA.  The only people who want CUDA are those who
have written software specifically to work with CUDA.  This is mostly
the engineering/research community.  CUDA is a PITA because due to the
closed-source short-and-curly dependence on NVIDIA corporation.

Chris