From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A19138247 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71AECE0ABF; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.ru (smtp12.mail.ru [94.100.176.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C675E0A95 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:55:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail2; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=TAHQDFmfA6ID6vXBNsMSGuhPlMPS5BxBFCC5h8yymkE=; b=pU1Lh4ISlHPjE3wVsFZTWgj4NfBi2wO3Cw7z0T+hJLLpDjGEmt/Kmxybt1qcDCuaDHgl4T9MiCJj8nogfT/ysAMwttBsQYFKoW5QUeTzjiZRiDT5Bl3SAim41v8dLZippWKVjTZIF7Kw+X6W1mNCGHoHS+LlF2UB2EQTM/NNSh0=; Received: from [95.221.14.172] (port=37049) by smtp12.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1VhCK1-0000eJ-SG for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:52:02 +0400 Message-ID: <5285B67E.1020906@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:51:58 +0400 From: the User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130911 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can we get users more involved in specific testing? References: <527F9A5D.1050601@gentoo.org> <5284DE0B.8070904@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Archives-Salt: bb46f48d-df2b-4c7c-9aea-2c7cff865ab9 X-Archives-Hash: b2b427f2d754823a90aec15fe768c553 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/14/13 18:48, James wrote: > hasufell gentoo.org> writes: > > >>>> I have often had a hard time to get some random users comment >>>> on certain packages or even assist on some runtime tests. I >>>> don't even know how many people use the package I maintain. > >>> When a new package is installed or upgraded, there are notes >>> that the installer is optioned (and notified upon installation) >>> about the package. Might it be a good idea to put your testing >>> pleadings in the notes for those how install the package >>> (stable, testing, experimental or overlay) about how to contact >>> whoever related to the specific testing you want done? I. E. >>> "eselect news" or is this a bad idea? > >> I think people will not like having that in eselect news. There >> could be a similar thing like: eslect test-requests but the >> question is if that will get bloated and other stuff I'm not sure >> about. > > Other than news, folks will not read it. As long as the > announcement is short!: TESTERS_WANTED (url to details), then you > hit the specific group, actually using the software; responding > because they care. It affects them directly. Futhermore, they can > quickly become the best testers, because most will use the target > package, frequently. > > >> The easiest thing I can think of is a project site on our wiki >> which would also point to relevant bugs. Then again... who really >> wants to maintain that. > > This approach will fail, because it is a blunt instrument. Too many > will get the managerie of info about things they can little for > (zippO).... > >> All other ideas are even more advanced. I wonder if we could add >> a keyword on bugzie like REQUSERTEST... so bored users could >> easily get a list of such bugs. But who would really use that? > > Bugzilla is a wonderful, but BLUNT instrument, hence few bother > with filling bugs. Gentoo devs are very picky about what get's > filed so for Gentoo issues, FOCUS on where the actual users can be > reached, with a focused message, imho. I. E. request testers from > the pool of folks that actually install a given package. Ya don't > have to get folks to test things like portage, cause we all use it > and care about it and bitch about it (that is until Zac took it > over and slaid the deamon_portage. > > A given ancillary package usually has few users, so find a way to > communicate with those packages_installers as the pool for > potential testers, with whatevery instrument you like. > Mathematically, blunt instruments fail more than 99% of the time, > particularly the tigher the desired end result is....... > > > Besides, most do not read the ebuild notes availabe in the 'eselect > news', imho. > A seperate mailing list? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJShbZ9AAoJEK64IL1uI2hacEEH/iJDHtzTzpI+KBJ4Ji3xrZ6z y54y4syVVV5w61oVXoLvc9BaJYvpwtefhmabocMNZ83vbn7HXcz/vdRpqVlVH5+d AzhNNfqvFEWotxW6zXic4sjIWqsTcZeMwsKWP7ex+q4a7bgwP51Zl2mo46QffiIw A9zVoEl3NMJVABPHIeaQvNBN1+XXXFq+TNLCmrQ+NNm3yR99Z1rbJUjP7G1GlZAU kn9MLFxNEs7Re7BEOtm0sDRwd1hPdwhNuQAoW6x1ljizb5yPClarmsantuBgEs8b xsF8VJ8R0Qzli3PgVyP2iv6KsdheZ0LoQzaFm9JpMnmaS6bEo6r03ITm9Ja9LBo= =zld0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----