From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDB4138247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04193E0929; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uberouter3.guranga.net (unknown [78.25.223.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB8CEE07FD for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.151.100] (unknown [192.168.151.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uberouter3.guranga.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A966F8239B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:33:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <527561A4.9050500@thegeezer.net> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 20:33:40 +0000 From: thegeezer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience? References: <5274EA64.6000404@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5274EA64.6000404@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040605020505000108070708" X-Archives-Salt: 14fbaaf7-7860-4dba-9325-db571acb3010 X-Archives-Hash: 8ba249ff327d2a656a1b35b7033e5c8a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040605020505000108070708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/02/2013 12:04 PM, hasufell wrote: > Another round of questioning the users here. > > more specifically: > * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? not enough to notice, mostly using server based installs not desktop > * do you really have a problem with running > revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every emerge? only ever used to run revdep rebuild if things were broken, and while now i'm a little more aware of this kind of thing suddenly finding that x program doesn't work due to bad library can be scary; especially if you rely on x program. preserved build was a genius idea if you ask me as this at least allows things to continue working > * do you think it's worth the effort to add more stuff to the PM, so > that you don't have to run revdep-rebuild that often? with preserved rebuild there is at least notification that revdep rebuild is needed; as a noob i didn't realise the significance of the program quite so much, expecting portage to just take care of dependencies. > * do you trust the other methods like subslots or preserved-rebuild to > work reliably? (as in: do you still use revdep-rebuild?) > subslots to me just work like magic and i'm content for the moment to allow them to remain a mystery to me. looking at other responses i'm glad i'm not the only one(!) i get it on the surface but have never played with them so don't fully understand. as i said earlier preserved rebuild is great because a) you get notification of revdeprebuild requirement and b) things don't break after upgrade > If you want my opinion on subslots: > # grep EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS /etc/portage/make.conf > EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ignore-built-slot-operator-deps=y" > /me politely requests more info and goes to google to find some too --------------040605020505000108070708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/02/2013 12:04 PM, hasufell wrote:
Another round of questioning the users here.

more specifically:
* how often do you experience useless rebuilds?
not enough to notice, mostly using server based installs not desktop
* do you really have a problem with running
revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every emerge?
only ever used to run revdep rebuild if things were broken, and while now i'm a little more aware of this kind of thing suddenly finding that x program doesn't work due to bad library can be scary; especially if you rely on x program.  preserved build was a genius idea if you ask me as this at least allows things to continue working
* do you think it's worth the effort to add more stuff to the PM, so
that you don't have to run revdep-rebuild that often?
with preserved rebuild there is at least notification that revdep rebuild is needed; as a noob i didn't realise the significance of the program quite so much, expecting portage to just take care of dependencies.
* do you trust the other methods like subslots or preserved-rebuild to
work reliably? (as in: do you still use revdep-rebuild?)

subslots to me just work like magic and i'm content for the moment to allow them to remain a mystery to me.  looking at other responses i'm glad i'm not the only one(!) i get it on the surface but have never played with them so don't fully understand.   as i said earlier preserved rebuild is great because a) you get notification of revdeprebuild requirement and b) things don't break after upgrade
If you want my opinion on subslots:
# grep EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS /etc/portage/make.conf
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ignore-built-slot-operator-deps=y"
>
/me politely requests more info and goes to google to find some too

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