From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E81138310 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 03:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA1C9E0B45; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 03:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA96CE0B3D for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 03:41:37 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FACyKbFJqRPOj/2dsb2JhbABZgwc4g2e7R4EdFnSCJQEBBSNVEQsNCwICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwYCAQGIAg6lJpITBIEpjQCBMxaCVIFCA4k9jk2GOyeLJYMzL4Eu X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,578,1378828800"; d="scan'208";a="156424150" Received: from unknown (HELO moriah.localdomain) ([106.68.243.163]) by icp-osb-irony-out6.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2013 11:41:35 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08DF1DE3A for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:41:35 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lan.localdomain Received: from moriah.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moriah.lan.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTAMyjQNFLur for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:41:22 +0800 (WST) Received: from [192.168.44.3] (moriah [192.168.44.3]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC661DE43 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:41:22 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <526C8B62.9040905@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:41:22 +0800 From: William Kenworthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130928 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience? References: <5267CB83.3000306@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fa763906-bc28-4477-a6a6-c83aa7eb345f X-Archives-Hash: ee7e6da8a8b89ebd8e575bf20a0acdb4 On 27/10/13 09:30, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell wrote: >> Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated >> users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7 >> >> I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore >> and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules >> are always available for the desired implementation. >> >> On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with >> blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like >> removing python:2.5. >> >> What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be >> improved? > ... The python user experience is less than overwhelming for a user. 1. if python-update is no longer needed (first I have heard of this) why is it still rebuilding many packages after an upgrade ... 2. I have python 2.7 installed and python 3.x is being asked to be installed ... isnt that enough? - shorely it can work out what it needs from whats been asked for/removed and whats already on the system ... instead we need to add these cryptic, poorly explained lines that one only finds out from emails etc. The elog message for the one exception asks that the line be added to make.conf without telling the user what happens if he upgrades later (as it lists specific versions) or makes changes - does that line have any effect, especially if he makes a mistake (which I did and I am not sure what it did in the background)? 4. sorry if the above sounds over the top but some of the changes did go wrong for me ... as is the grub2 upgrade I am still trying to get to work after many hours ... 5. and I am really really impressed that a dev has actually asked the users ... unlike other decisions being made! BillK