From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD27A1381F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25CC4E0CF3; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E085E0CDD for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.168.57.17] (85-76-36-79-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.36.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC89E33EFF3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5264D8DC.9030204@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:33:48 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? References: <52629F15.1050803@sporkbox.us> <5263174E.8000004@googlemail.com> <5263795D.2070503@sporkbox.us> <5263884A.7070303@gentoo.org> <5263A146.8070006@sporkbox.us> <5263A8A4.9050208@gentoo.org> <5263B4D8.8070801@sporkbox.us> <5263D481.5020403@gentoo.org> <5263E234.4020305@libertytrek.org> <5263E2C7.2020704@gentoo.org> <20131021023444.GA24456@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20131021023444.GA24456@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fff7dfc7-7921-45e4-9a88-59fc327ecb03 X-Archives-Hash: bf8a598b2486a97671b6b1dd9186fbbb On 21/10/13 05:34, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote > >> That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but >> from top of my head: >> We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. >> >> As in, that's nothing to be worried about before it happens. > That's not always possible, e.g. GNOME 3.8. > Yes, but it was Gentoo Gnome Teams decision to keep packaging Gnome after they (I mean, GNOME upstream) introduced systemd hard dependency instead of switching to eg. MATE, or helping out with Xfce, etc, and sticking to the distribution default (OpenRC) And then it's yours (I mean, users) decision to keep on using Gnome despite of it As we were talking about core, like kernel and part of the userland boot process, I'm just trying to say that Gnome is not important part of the core system, it's just one of the desktops among others, despite of it's past (and current) popularity Now I have to admit I'm biased, I used to use GNOME 2.x in past but I've been with Xfce for years now, so I can only imagine what hardcore GNOME users think of all this, if the same thing happened to Xfce, I'd very very much pissed off -- to a point I'd rip out whole systemd support out of the code and package it with limited functionality rather than introducing systemd harddep