From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454C21381F3 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16092E0C88; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB02E09D2 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.168.57.17] (85-76-35-180-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.35.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C88D33EF56 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5263E2C7.2020704@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 17:03:51 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? References: <52629F15.1050803@sporkbox.us> <5263174E.8000004@googlemail.com> <5263795D.2070503@sporkbox.us> <5263884A.7070303@gentoo.org> <5263A146.8070006@sporkbox.us> <5263A8A4.9050208@gentoo.org> <5263B4D8.8070801@sporkbox.us> <5263D481.5020403@gentoo.org> <5263E234.4020305@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <5263E234.4020305@libertytrek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 55386981-677a-4a53-bc14-3016418d4466 X-Archives-Hash: 704db3ef972ed7d0baa2b103b29fb87c On 20/10/13 17:01, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-10-20 9:02 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> On 20/10/13 13:47, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>> Like I mentioned in a prior e-mail, the change didn't affect me when it >>> was pushed, and doesn't affect me now. I did recently have to reinstall >>> Gentoo, however (note, going from testing to stable isn't fun ;p), and >>> noticed it when I found Gentoo ships with systemd-udev instead of >>> eudev. > >> Yep, no plans on changing the default sys-fs/udev to anything else, no >> reason to. > > To be clear - you are saying that the new default init system for a > new gentoo install is systemd? No, I'm saying the default /dev manager in Gentoo has been sys-fs/udev and will be sys-fs/udev > > When did this happen? I thought that OpenRC was still the default? It is. > >>> Perhaps the next time I need to install Gentoo, I'll find a way to get >>> eudev on there before even the first proper boot and avoid the problem >>> altogether. > >> It's true that sys-fs/eudev restored the *broken* rule_generator from >> old sys-fs/udev, you can get it by USE="rule-generator". >> But it's lot saner to keep using sys-fs/udev and just write custom rules >> to rename interfaces based on MACs to like lan*, internet* >> so all in all, currently, using sys-fs/eudev doesn't make sense unless >> you are experimenting/developing for it. > > The problem with this is, what happens if (or maybe *when*?) the > systemd maintainers make a change that then breaks udev for anything > but systemd? > That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. As in, that's nothing to be worried about before it happens.